Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dj10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dj10.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.146]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD024-8b7b4d225dd1257; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:37:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dj10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 91EFF380000A0; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PZtx2-000876-Fx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:36:32 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PZtx2-00086x-0Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:36:32 +0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PZtx0-0008CR-9j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:36:31 +0000 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p03NaT4m030063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 00:36:29 +0100 Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p03NaS1g006416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 00:36:28 +0100 Received: from [129.206.196.87] (vpn087a.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.196.87]) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p03NaQ2e018035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 00:36:28 +0100 Message-ID: <4D225D7D.5090105@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:36:29 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4D22026B.7070908@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: VLF: DK7FC's "big" VLF PA - Outphasing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010408090503020808070600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039cdbc9d0f4d225dcf7eeb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------010408090503020808070600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id p03NaT4m030063 Hi Markus, Interesting! This could be easily done of course. If it is possible to=20 modify your chirped hell software to drive such a PA in SpecLab, i would= =20 build a separate LF/VLF PA. It's time to transmit a smiley on the kite=20 antenna (visible in a DFCW-600 window), at full power! :-) The minimum=20 symbol rate of chirped hell within SL has to be reduced for that purpose. My birthday is May, 26th, so you have some time for that! When is your=20 birthday? I would congratulate in chirped hell on VLF ;-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 04.01.2011 00:00, schrieb Markus Vester: > Dear Stefan, > thanks very much for sharing this very useful design! > Just in case you would like to extend this to linear modulation: The=20 > H-bridge topology naturally lends itself to the Outphasing technique=20 > (aka "Chireix" modulation", "Ampliphase", "LINC"), which was=20 > invented in the 1930ies to increase AM transmitter efficiency. The=20 > idea is to drive the two half-bridges separately with a variable phase= =20 > difference: 180=B0 gives full power, 90=B0 gives -3 dB, and 0=B0 gives= no=20 > differential output across the load. > Instead of generating the two carriers by special envelope-driven=20 > phaseshifter hardware, you could also take a software approach through= =20 > the two outputs of a stereo soundcard. It may then be best to feed the= =20 > PA drivers directly, avoiding the dividers which can introduce an=20 > unwanted 180=B0 ambiguity. > If you feel like trying this concept, I could be persuaded to adapt=20 > the Chirped Hell software for this purpose. What day is your birthday?= =20 > ;-)) > Best regards, > Markus (DF6NM) > PS: In case you decide to use small audio transformers at the input,=20 > make sure their insulation can safely withstand the line voltage! --------------010408090503020808070600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id p03NaT4m030063 Hi Markus,

Interesting! This could be easily done of course. If it is possible to modify your chirped hell software to drive such a PA in SpecLab, i would build a separate LF/VLF PA. It's time to transmit a smiley on the kite antenna (visible in a DFCW-600 window), at full power! :-) The minimum symbol rate of chirped hell within SL has to be reduced for that purpose.

My birthday is May, 26th, so you have some time for that! When is your birthday? I would congratulate in chirped hell on VLF ;-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC



Am 04.01.2011 00:00, schrieb Markus Vester:
Dear Stefan,
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thanks very much for sharing this very useful design!
=A0
Just in case you would like to extend this=A0to linear modulation: The H-bridge topology naturally lends itself to the Outphasing technique (aka "Chireix" modulation", "Ampliphase", "LINC"),=A0which was invented=A0in the 1930ies to increase AM transmitter efficiency. The idea is to drive the two half-bridges separately with a variable phase difference:=A0180=B0=A0gives full power, 90=B0 gives -3 dB, and 0=B0 gives= no differential output across the load.
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Instead of=A0generating the two carriers=A0by special=A0envelope-driven phaseshifter hardware, you could also=A0take=A0a software approach through the two outputs of a stereo soundcard. It may then be best to feed the PA drivers directly, avoiding the dividers=A0which=A0can introduce an unwanted=A0180=B0 ambiguity.
=A0
If you feel like trying this concept, I could be persuaded to adapt the Chirped Hell software for this purpose. What day=A0is your birthday? ;-))
=A0
Best regards,
Markus (DF6NM)
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=A0
PS: In case you decide to use small audio transformers at the input, make sure their insulation can safely withstand the line voltage!=A0
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