Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.26]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD021-8b784d2f39d512e; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:43:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BFEEE380000AC; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PdRCL-0007Yg-F0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:42:57 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PdRCL-0007YX-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:42:57 +0000 Received: from mail-ey0-f171.google.com ([209.85.215.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PdRCH-0000Iv-Sj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:42:56 +0000 Received: by eyg5 with SMTP id 5so970754eyg.16 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:42:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=tvAQ5VzOLmxcRscDoxg6ejM9TjsxUAL9hUAqWcojflE=; b=hHxSE2682ptFF6pjE3jZa/iB3waaAOZ0tE6TA9YlDl/mnSWGjDYZuWilWulBwS5c52 0T8CR80iTHq75UwNdp2IG/QnKjNf95AhQaoC99jwwnyt+xdD+indvX1QjLNvsqgLgUlB Sh3DXvSxl7NtfbBYjfMtPBvmXglgesnzK65tc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=KuHrSRxtFsIuMpFNaJHSjWSLEv70oEZMva0V0q+7UP3YeBKeSllSzzy+Z29CVWwcm6 WZDQ3wMpICAO9Zd5Q8ZO0Wy1egxubyqJBTx10JqJq32KTuMMVIPWpf0OVKTVE/ntP+Ic 70F/W2MCjQAEpzPpwUEFF3piR8F88NSa5SZK0= Received: by 10.213.7.138 with SMTP id d10mr789588ebd.17.1294940572948; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from PcMinto (ip5657a2f6.direct-adsl.nl [86.87.162.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t5sm216911eeh.20.2011.01.13.09.42.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:42:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4929CA3383DD45FCBC44A80A2733B139@PcMinto> From: Minto Witteveen To: References: <003801cbb33e$8b59e620$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <003801cbb33e$8b59e620$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:42:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: FET RDS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d294.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411a4d2f39d37474 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Yup that is correct. High(er) voltage fets usually have the higher RDS-on values... Tradeoff based on physics... I started my 500-600 Watts 500 KHz transverter with two IRFP360's in parallel. Later I switched to IXFH26N50 (cheaper at EUR 1 a piece and slightly better than the IRFP360). The IXFH26N50 has a VDSS of 500 Volts, and a RDS-on of 0.23 Ohms and an Id of 25A. With two of these in parallel the efficiency is > 90%. DC supply is (max) 54 Volts. Peak voltage on the drains is somewhere around max 250 Volts. So I might search for Fets with a somewhat lower RDSon and a lower max voltage, but these fets are indestructible in my setup, they survive open and short-circuited antennas without a problem for several minutes until heat becomes a problem. For more info wrt my setup see www.pa3bca.nl Regards, Minto pa3bca (500 KHz in PA idle at the moment, alas...) From: mal hamilton Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 17:25 To: rsgb Subject: LF: FET RDS LF/MF It seems to me if you are working with low V high current FETS the RDS seems reasonable 0.02 for example but when a High V low current device is need the RDS of these devices seem to be around 0.4 considerably higher. therefore the efficiency of the amplifier will never reach the 90% plus that some claim. I stripped a plasma tv recently and found banks of FETS (6 per bank) and wondered why the application neederd so many and have come to the conclusion that because of the high RDS lots were required in parallel to reduce the losses. Maybe there are low RDS fets about that will handle several hundred volts at modest currents ie 10A at 1000 volts Room for thought de mal/g3kev