Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dl01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dl01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.74.207]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA092-b5354d3e7363112; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:53:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 245EB3800008F; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Phcl2-0005d8-Mb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:52:04 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Phcl1-0005cz-Qf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:52:03 +0000 Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.74]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Phckz-0000p5-PO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:52:03 +0000 Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2011 06:51:54 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.53] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2011 06:51:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1053.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2011 06:51:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 966567.74572.bm@omp1053.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97919 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2011 06:51:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1295938313; bh=UFSWlcC8qYTF2GWRZRfhmBuI7PWingt8qn321qEfAVM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3Ijvv7jYbvZs5xYk+deKDv5tsR8gRI8aWdgx2LexGfyWiWl7lOx9uL0IvGH6vxXFjjnYwi+U3Kg/p0lO7De4zlZA8oGPjyMILx3wswqzwhgFQG5Ex3I0oFD/zu8HlaJF9sdeKNHboRkJlwwkn6qoCoeCfh9oaqk3rXqQyAEyJ/Q= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ie4jJRCYSSejLIPKsZLGrmhdy7sG6INawHB6zDpRkVBjZ9/CoH/w8irBVmdrO6hD4/SMkOiVCGTwH1lCXl52w1Z+RuleS01Kv/RdztYcGAaR1SfH8UkqkGSiVzLURa7y2dElr51wfXSXIVTeosx/CmGs//FK8W13DTH0gnbeFPM=; Message-ID: <448918.96794.qm@web111914.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qp6SpXoVM1mnzZlNVMrwXe0eWI9dDHcS9DuHXXY1ABkutYK ieTOjSBTNLp.GHrmpvFRRe.xYW3YUq4WBSL1scfQFuBSXnNq4z8rwjExRxMu A8d7aVJqePJOoxqyvPGb2uPqXY_jk2MBTzF02tf2wZM9870fPEEvS5v0kQjS FviDPmvehwkg9MrWt3YBEf1bGCCz.Mdi.Qrweqwfs7m6xwDaD5qhS0wsalvO eTg5XVMC3Wang9Db.y14MfOBQFYW7_ZmIHKwLjDo0vyH0I65x5gExT_XXnZK J6POo98llLn36bCQ08W.cCsG5DJiXtpTooZbk_r__G3YCoU3wsA-- Received: from [87.3.202.187] by web111914.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:51:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <4D3D95AD.11858.18D895B1@jurgenb2.3sdesign.de>, <004e01cbbc16$e0707580$4001a8c0@lark> <4D3E1E40.24225.1AEE1495@jurgenb2.3sdesign.de> <002001cbbc24$0e208d50$4001a8c0@lark> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: Daniele Tincani To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002001cbbc24$0e208d50$4001a8c0@lark> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: What freq. list can you recommend Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1656843630-1295938313=:96794" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d024.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf4d3e73610159 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 --0-1656843630-1295938313=:96794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LVF, my apologies for having quoted out-of-date information. Trond's lists=A0ar= e still=20 valuable in my opinion as they are more extensive and detailed than other= =20 similar lists, however I did not intend to suggest that they contain the= most=20 up-to-date information on the web. Personally, I use these and other VLF= lists=20 just as a starting point, then I=A0look to other sources (if available)=A0= for=20 cross-check and further confirmation, even thought that often=A0you can fi= nd that=20 a given=A0list was simply copied from another :-). Best regards Daniele ________________________________ From: Alan Melia To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 1:08:50 AM Subject: Re: LF: What freq. list can you recommend Hi Jurgen I dont know the list you quote....if it is a BC station list the= se are often kept more up to date by monitoring stations. The vlf.it lists Danielle quoted carry a date or 2001 I am sire Trond's Alfac site is more up-to-date than that now. Lightning...try http://webflash.ess.washington.edu/spectra.html You can back up the URL to the home page and read the info The spectrograms give a good idea of what can be heard almost anywhere in the world.though some have restricted their max frequency to 16kHz Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jurgen Bartels" To: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:50 PM Subject: Re: LF: What freq. list can you recommend Alan, > Jurgen a lot of the list quoted are well out of date. Dont assume becaus= e a > station is quoted that it actually exists on that frequency. GBR and GBZ > closed years ago and the aerials were demolished. Work the other way see The problem with pages like http://www.vlf.it/trond2/15-20khz.html is that= I don't know how old they are. And more confusing that GBR is listed as "actrive" MWLIST seems to be more accurate, it doesn't list GBR anymore. How do guys see MWLIST, is it more up-to-date in the VLF range? > what you can hear and then try and identify the stations=A0 Your should= see > around 5 or 6 stations between 17 and 24 kHz. One of the best checks use= d to > be the WWWL lighning sites but our local in Shefield seems to have reduc= ed What are those sites? > Remember that many of the "signals" heard in this frequency area are due to > badly designed or manufactured domestic equipment, in your or your > neighbours houses. Yes I know that, I'm an engineer, and treat this always with sceptism. But my antenna is in a rural area, only our house is the closest, and I kn= ow most of the potential noise sources. But there's always something new to discover. :-) Jurgen Bartels=A0 Suellwarden, N. Germany hor. Antennas: 11-ele 45-87MHz 13-ele Band-III, 48-ele UHF, FM: 15.11 TV: Winradio G305 / Fly2000 + video noise filter & variable IF BW FM: Downconverter + Perseus + Speclab as WFM demod. MW: staggered 300m Beverage 320=B0,=A0 30 x 4m EWE 320=B0, Winradio & Pers= eus http://dx.3sdesign.de/tv_offset_list.htm http://dx.3sdesign.de/station_list.htm http://fewo.3sdesign.de=A0 - Vacation home: DX right at the Northsea coast =20 --0-1656843630-1295938313=:96794 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi LVF,
my apologies for having quoted out-of-date information. Trond's lists=  are still valuable in my opinion as they are more extensive and deta= iled than other similar lists, however I did not intend to suggest that th= ey contain the most up-to-date information on the web. Personally, I use= these and other VLF lists just as a starting point, then I look to= other sources (if available) for cross-check and further confirmatio= n, even thought that often you can find that a given list was si= mply copied from another :-).
Best regards
Daniele
=
=
From: Alan Melia <alan.= melia@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 1:08:50 AM
Subject: Re: LF: What freq. list can you recom= mend

Hi Jurgen I dont know the list you quote....if it is a= BC station list these
are often kept more up to date by monitoring sta= tions. The vlf.it lists
= Danielle quoted carry a date or 2001 I am sire Trond's Alfac site is more<= BR>up-to-date than that now.

Lightning...try
http://webflash.ess= .washington.edu/spectra.html
You can back up the URL to the home page= and read the info
The spectrograms give a good idea of what can be hea= rd almost anywhere in
the world.though some have restricted their max= frequency to 16kHz

Alan
G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From:= "Jurgen Bartels" <jurgenb2@3sdesign.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, Janu= ary 24, 2011 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: LF: What freq. list can you recommen= d


Alan,

> Jurgen a lot of the list quoted are well ou= t of date. Dont assume because
a
> station is quoted that it actu= ally exists on that frequency. GBR and GBZ
> closed years ago and th= e aerials were demolished. Work the other way see

The problem with= pages like http://www.vlf.it/trond2/15-20khz.html is that I
don't know= how old they are. And more confusing that GBR is listed as
"actrive"
MWLIST seems to be more accurate, it doesn't list GBR anymore.
Ho= w do guys see MWLIST, is it more up-to-date in the VLF range?

> what you can= hear and then try and identify the stations  Your should see
>= around 5 or 6 stations between 17 and 24 kHz. One of the best checks used=
to
> be the WWWL lighning sites but our local in Shefield seems= to have reduced

What are those sites?


> Remember tha= t many of the "signals" heard in this frequency area are due
to
>= badly designed or manufactured domestic equipment, in your or your
>= ; neighbours houses.

Yes I know that, I'm an engineer, and treat th= is always with sceptism.
But my antenna is in a rural area, only our ho= use is the closest, and I know
most of the potential noise sources. But= there's always something new to
discover. :-)



Jurgen Ba= rtels  Suellwarden, N. Germany
hor. Antennas: 11-ele 45-87MHz 13-e= le Band-III, 48-ele UHF, FM: 15.11
TV: Winradio G305 / Fly2000 + video= noise filter & variable IF BW
FM: Downconverter + Perseus + Speclab as= WFM demod.
MW: staggered 300m Beverage 320=B0,  30 x 4m EWE 320= =B0, Winradio & Perseus
http://dx.3sdesign.de/tv_offset_list.htmhttp://dx.3sdesign.de/station_list.htm

http://fewo.3sdesign.de&nbs= p; - Vacation home: DX right at the Northsea coast





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