Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD073-8b8e4d2f594c135; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:58:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0DCC2380001EE; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PdTI6-0000NH-9b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:57:02 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PdTI5-0000N8-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:57:01 +0000 Received: from smtpout06.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.89] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PdTI3-0001HI-H7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:57:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 31705 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2011 19:56:53 -0000 Received: from 188-23-72-26.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.72.26]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub95.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Jan 2011 19:56:53 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <004801cbb34a$5b8ab580$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <003801cbb33e$8b59e620$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4929CA3383DD45FCBC44A80A2733B139@PcMinto> <004801cbb34a$5b8ab580$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:56:52 +0100 Message-ID: <1294948612.1430.60.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: FET RDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134d2f594a4459 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Hello Mal and group! ....."a few in parallel".... My PA is using a single IRFP260N and if I want to put another one "in parallel" is it necessary to "decouple" the gates by two resistors (a few Ohms each) or can the gates be paralleled directly? I would prefer the decoupling with separate gate resistors but is it essential? 73 es tnx OE3GHB Gerhard Am Donnerstag, den 13.01.2011, 17:50 +0000 schrieb mal hamilton: > Minto > One approach is to use a few in parallel like they do in plasma tv's but > there must then be other considerations to hinder the application. > mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Minto Witteveen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: LF: FET RDS > > > > Yup that is correct. High(er) voltage fets usually have the higher RDS-on > > values... Tradeoff based on physics... > > I started my 500-600 Watts 500 KHz transverter with two IRFP360's in > > parallel. > > Later I switched to IXFH26N50 (cheaper at EUR 1 a piece and slightly > better > > than the IRFP360). > > The IXFH26N50 has a VDSS of 500 Volts, and a RDS-on of 0.23 Ohms and an Id > > of 25A. > > With two of these in parallel the efficiency is > 90%. DC supply is (max) > 54 > > Volts. > > Peak voltage on the drains is somewhere around max 250 Volts. So I might > > search for Fets with a somewhat lower RDSon and a lower max voltage, but > > these fets are indestructible in my setup, they survive open and > > short-circuited antennas without a problem for several minutes until heat > > becomes a problem. > > > > > > For more info wrt my setup see www.pa3bca.nl > > > > Regards, > > Minto pa3bca (500 KHz in PA idle at the moment, alas...) > > > > > > > > > > From: mal hamilton > > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 17:25 > > To: rsgb > > Subject: LF: FET RDS > > > > > > LF/MF > > It seems to me if you are working with low V high current FETS the RDS > seems > > reasonable 0.02 for example but when a High V low current device is need > the > > RDS of these devices seem to be around 0.4 considerably higher. > > therefore the efficiency of the amplifier will never reach the 90% plus > that > > some claim. > > I stripped a plasma tv recently and found banks of FETS (6 per bank) and > > wondered why the application neederd so many and have come to the > conclusion > > that because of the high RDS lots were required in parallel to reduce the > > losses. > > Maybe there are low RDS fets about that will handle several hundred volts > at > > modest currents ie 10A at 1000 volts > > Room for thought > > > > de mal/g3kev > > > > > > > >