Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mp10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mp10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.193.78]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-a7854d2b277517b; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:36:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 519D23800013B; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PcJmC-0003TC-EJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:35:20 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PcJmC-0003T3-0S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:35:20 +0000 Received: from nm4-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.230]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PcJmA-0000mL-Cc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:35:19 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.209] by nm4.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2011 15:35:12 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.41] by tm2.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2011 15:35:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2011 15:35:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 988411.20632.bm@omp1026.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 37622 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2011 15:35:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=5KGMxMF3RH5Ye0COMBx6yX+Y6WOu7nmtc9Gzelh4LfyCw6QdSPLarF+yCbSDEV/rX/r2AQZ63ZLVW6j3Adl5rul/WdW2wfLdcNpnc246MMDRHXPda+DmWuu2idLTHWXA7GuWfQeMOo98KhUlTDHC9tzNbXVmuSfL8fEHaM6IjAE= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1294673711; bh=TqwcfAkgXcZqKNoqGrd3FvWzhqMlfRcxKEPitjRHuwU=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=VYDdU+CeuVGVOdJyQ544TaSAyKaSRHJb0xwkbCFgbGh02ESujkRp9Uyh1xDxxCoLv/nJYlRALXSxSIXtNLfiw0s4ltM7XPr+OV7jTkbQGME75VsES2epvQ2wAsqf4YhVaURhR9vAGY4BGplL5igP7+4PAxeJPNk/bABwuEgxIpQ= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@109.156.208.18 with login) by smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2011 15:35:08 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: .BgeX6gVM1nMvnNczCNhb4Hl53Yabq1njYJgfrqUcruC8p6 QrLrKErfBcOuwV7kFCo8RHMgq0H2k1GABWGjhezhHQYvv_qKULcbytn6GuJD vywWjzA8esB1Sj71lIJbDEA2_RZej3awIlc_umgZ3zMPcdfh.J1g2xSDJxdC tKPzA3umpaD9DmGmxT7rzDi.sRMszgpRuqOPrgLCElP1sXNghfCZ7dWppNiU skgqk656UfRWrftOP0cbFfXIGYNF_tRC6N8iThuKTxZpooY2EuQp_7FZXL.K qUechsQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <058A3FA215E64859B673E71DC37F1E1E@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:35:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Capacitor warning Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc14e4d2b276e5c73 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Dear Andy, LF Group, If you want low tempco (and low RF loss), you really need ceramic Cs with low-K dielectric like NP0,C0G. These may be specialised RF components, but some are also available in "disc ceramic" format. The ones found in SMPSUs are most often the much less stable and more lossy medium- and high-K types like X7R or (worse) Z5U. The high K types hve other nasty habits too, like voltage-dependent capacitance. In many noise filtering and "snubber" appliations, the capacitance and loss isn't that critical, so the smaller, cheaper, higher dielectric constant typs work OK. The other favourable type are metalised polypropylene - if you go to "capacitors - film" in the online Farnell catalogue, select polypropylene as the dielectric, it is easy to narrow things down to find what you want. Some other "poly" capacitors, particularly polyester, have much higher loss and are unsuitable. Polystyrene caps have low loss, but aren't generally available in useful TX ratings. Silver mica are good, but rather expensive if you need many picofarads... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU