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(VPS 110129-0, 29/01/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: LF coil tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d266.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154d44a6273ee8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Hi Peter I think this is analogous to putting an aluminium or brass slug into a coil as with the VHF Toko range where there is an optional ferrite of aluminium.core. I have never measured Qs I suspect it is a bit lossy maybe that is why a single shorted turn is used for a loading coil. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Dodd" To: Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 11:10 PM Subject: LF: LF coil tuning > The traditional method of tuning an LF loading coil is to use a variometer. > > I have been investigating methods of tuning coils for mobile use and one > method that appeared briefly in one of the ARRL Handbooks of the 50s > was the shorted turn method of tuning. > > I tried a home made coil of 136uH on a 5cm diameter former and using a > shorted turn of 2mm insulated wire and obtained a tuning range of 32uH. > (136 - 102uH). > > Has anyone out there tried this? > > Regards > > Peter G3LDO > > > > >