Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.180.6]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD084-86b04d38c54565; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:29:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AD8BD380000A6; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Pg3vD-0001mE-I7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:28:07 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Pg3vC-0001m5-Dc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:28:06 +0000 Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pg3vA-0008S2-JI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:28:06 +0000 Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xzTW1f00617dt5G5EzTx69; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:27:57 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xzTv1f00p2DDHkk3ZzTvaW; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:27:57 +0000 Message-ID: <000901cbb8f9$aa22b580$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <003401cbb8b7$f82129c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <413650202.736292.1295540964589.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb078> <005001cbb8cc$db1114c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:27:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Dream 9 (Alpha check) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CBB8CF.C0DF1EA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064d38c5430ba2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CBB8CF.C0DF1EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marcus Do you have current information on the Alpha signals - sequence vs.=20 location? Normally hear two of the transmitters like this recorded a= few=20 minutes ago on 11905. There's info at vlf.it but not sure it is up to= date.=20 Any info would be appreciated. http://www.w1vd.com/capture/Alpha012011.mp3 Jay W1VD WD2XNS WD2XGR/2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dream 9 (Alpha check) A quick receive check is whether you can actually hear the most dist= ant=20 Alpha transmitter as well, ie. all three dashes on 11.905 kHz during= the=20 evening. Another test is whether you can occasionally see -40 dB modulation= =20 sidebands in a milliHz-resolution spectrogram. These appear irregularl= y=20 (often for a few hours around 6 UT), and are caused by phase alteratio= ns on=20 some of the Krasnodar dashes. This is probably some sort of coded=20 information, piggybacked on the navigation system. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: mal hamilton Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:07 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Dream 9 Horst I likewise am getting around 30 dB sig above noise with a non resona= nt=20 antenna.With my 137 Khz array resonated on 9 Kcs the improvement is at= least=20 20 dB better, unfortunately there is so little Dreamers acty diverting the= =20 system is not worth while. 73 de Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Horst St=C3=B6cker To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 4:29 PM Subject: Re: LF: Dream 9 I've got the Alpha with -60 dB and about 25-30dB over noise. Maybe= I'll=20 soon catch the first "dreamer". I am still not sure if my configurations are allright now. But try= ing=20 some antenna locations around my house brought the best result at the= =20 postition I have fixed the MiniWhip now. I hope, it's good enough. Otherwise I will have to quit thinking= about=20 receiving at home. Horst ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- Von: "mal hamilton" Gesendet: 20.01.2011 16:37:38 An: rsgb Betreff: LF: Dream 9 VLF I had some spare time today and checked VLF Alpha on 11905 minus= 65 dB=20 and loud with 150 metres non resonant inv L. My rx has a 1 Khz bfo offset and on speclab the calibration look= s ok=20 for normal acty but at QRS600 it might be a different story!! RX af is LSB/USB selectable at 3 Khz and 20 Hz No signals visible on 8.9 Khz, nice clean screen Anyon active ? de mal/g3kev =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CBB8CF.C0DF1EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Marcus
 
Do you have current information on th= e Alpha=20 signals - sequence vs. location? Normally hear two of the transmitters= like this=20 recorded a few minutes ago on 11905. There's info at vlf.it but not su= re it is=20 up to date. Any info would be appreciated.
 
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS =20 WD2XGR/2    
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 20,= 2011 6:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Dream 9 (Alp= ha=20 check)

A quick receive check is wheth= er you can=20 actually hear the most distant Alpha transmitter = ;as well,=20 ie. all three dashes on 11.905 kHz during the evening. <= /DIV>
 
Another test is whether you can&nbs= p;occasionally=20 see -40 dB modulation sidebands in a milliHz-resolution sp= ectrogram.=20 These appear irregularly (often for a few hours around 6= UT),=20 and are caused by phase alterations on some of the Kr= asnodar=20 dashes. This is probably some sort of coded information, piggyb= acked on=20 the navigation system.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
From: mal hamilton=
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Dream 9
=
Horst
I likewise am getting around 30 dB= sig above=20 noise with a non resonant antenna.With my 137 Khz array resonated on= 9 Kcs the=20 improvement is at least 20 dB
better, unfortunately there is so= little Dreamers=20 acty diverting the system is not worth while.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 20,= 2011 4:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Dream 9

I've got=20 the Alpha with -60 dB and about 25-30dB over noise. Maybe I'll soo= n catch=20 the first "dreamer".
I am still not sure if my configurations= are=20 allright now. But trying some antenna locations around my house br= ought the=20 best result at the postition I have fixed the MiniWhip now.
I= hope, it's=20 good enough. Otherwise I will have to quit thinking about receivin= g at=20 home.
Horst
Von: "mal hamilton"=20 <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Gesendet: 20.01.2011=20 16:37:38
An: rsgb=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Betreff: LF: Drea= m=20 9

VLF<= /SPAN>
I ha= d some spare=20 time today and checked VLF Alpha on 11905 minus 65 dB and loud= with 150=20 metres non resonant inv L.
My= rx has a 1=20 Khz bfo offset and on speclab the calibration looks ok for norma= l acty but=20 at QRS600 it might be a different story!!
RX= af is LSB/USB=20 selectable at 3 Khz and 20 Hz
No= signals=20 visible on 8.9 Khz, nice clean screen
Anyo= n active=20 ?
de= =20 mal/g3kev
 
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