Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.14]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA083-b5324d07f3212a7; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:43:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 001FE3800008F; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PSdWm-00077f-6G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:39:24 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PSdWl-00077V-OQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:39:23 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSdWj-0007xr-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:39:23 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454537B804D for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:39:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N2.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n2.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.12]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D9631E703 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:39:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N2.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.12]) with mapi; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:39:12 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:39:11 +0100 Thread-Topic: Re: RE: Israel Navtex 518 kHz Thread-Index: AcubzSmN9ZwS4AIySQ+T5ujLfTg3VgAEdBMs Message-ID: References: <0E4D500A9DC04BDAA9F4F47488CF8D02@IBM7FFA209F07C> , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Israel Navtex 518 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C886FDD753AICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4d07f2430e4e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C886FDD753AICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Albert, strange, I am copying PBK right now and YAND gives 220km as distance. I have found the other informantion in YAND very accurate. Scheveningen is about 130km, that might explain my rather optimistic ERP= estmation (1..10kW) and could confirm the 500..1000W ERP values Roelof ga= ve. Anyway, most NAVTEX stations seem have a 20 to 30dB better ERP than ham st= ations on 500. I had YAND running for the past couple of days and going through the log= revealed occasional daytime copy of stations up to 3000km. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Albert [westberg@xs4all.nl] Verzonden: dinsdag 14 december 2010 21:23 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: Israel Navtex 518 kHz Hello Rik, The NAVTEX TX operated by Den Helder CG is situated in Scheveningen, your= 220 km is not correct. They are using abt the same TX output power as I= do, but the difference is that they use a real antenna. 73, Albert PA0A --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C886FDD753AICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Albert,
 
strange, I am copying PBK right now= and YAND gives 220km as distance.
I have found the other informantion= in YAND very accurate.
Scheveningen is about 130km, that mi= ght explain my rather optimistic ERP estmation (1..10kW) and could confirm= the 500..1000W ERP values Roelof gave.
Anyway, most NAVTEX stations seem ha= ve a 20 to 30dB better ERP than ham stations on 500.
I had YAND running for the past coup= le of days and going through the log revealed occasional daytime copy of= stations up to 3000km.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Albert= [westberg@xs4all.nl]
Verzonden: dinsdag 14 december 2010 21:23
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: Israel Navtex 518 kHz

Hello Rik,
 
The NAVTEX TX operated by Den Helder= CG is situated in Scheveningen, your 220 km is not correct. The= y are using abt the same TX output power as I do, but the difference is th= at they use a real antenna.
 
73, Albert PA0A   &nbs= p;
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