Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.22]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDI014-eab94d07ba8123a; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:42:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2364C380002CF; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PSZoQ-0001Vd-DD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:41:22 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PSZoP-0001VT-VL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:41:21 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSZoM-00065i-E4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:41:21 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C5575998D for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:41:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.13]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFF0F3864 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:41:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N3.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.13]) with mapi; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:41:10 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:41:10 +0100 Thread-Topic: Israel Thread-Index: AcubsZofulE9gggaQC+W/zngqUDyjwAC+lS0 Message-ID: References: <0E4D500A9DC04BDAA9F4F47488CF8D02@IBM7FFA209F07C> In-Reply-To: <0E4D500A9DC04BDAA9F4F47488CF8D02@IBM7FFA209F07C> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Israel Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C886FDD7538ICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41164d07ba7d2778 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C886FDD7538ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, I have copied Haifa NAVTEX in broad daylight (16UTC) some days ago. Just to have an idea about ERP of NAVTEX station: Den Helder NAVTEX is day= time copy of S9+30dB at a distance of 220km. PA0A is S9 here at a distance= of 260km and running the full 5W ERP. So Den Helder must be some kW ERP at least. I guest most NAVTEX stations= are running ERP's in the 1..10kW range, a good 30dB (or more) above us ha= m's on 500kHz. 73, Rik ON7YD ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Chris [c.ashby435@btinternet.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 14 december 2010 18:06 Aan: RSGB LF Group Onderwerp: LF: Israel Hi Mal, You said: "I was receiving 4X4(Israel) yesterday on 518 Kcs at 1800 utc= but no amateur stations in that area to work." About half an hour ago Haifa was Q5 here on a PA0DRT antenna. Heaven knows= what power they run. Yes, activity is poor and I am sure much is possible, but if nobody is the= re...we shall never know. Chris, G4AYT. --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C886FDD7538ICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris,
 
I have copied Haifa NAVTEX in broad= daylight (16UTC) some days ago.
Just to have an idea about ERP of NA= VTEX station: Den Helder NAVTEX is daytime copy of S9+30dB= at a distance of 220km. PA0A is S9 here at a distance of 260km and= running the full 5W ERP.
So Den Helder must be some kW ERP at= least. I guest most NAVTEX stations are running ERP's in the 1..10kW rang= e, a good 30dB (or more) above us ham's on 500kHz.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD
 
Van: owner-rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Chris= [c.ashby435@btinternet.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 14 december 2010 18:06
Aan: RSGB LF Group
Onderwerp: LF: Israel

Hi Mal,
You said: "I was receiving= 4X4(Israel)  yesterday on 518 Kcs at 1800 utc but no amateur st= ations in that area to work."
About half an hour ago Haifa was= Q5 here on a PA0DRT antenna. Heaven knows what power they run.
Yes, activity is poor and I am sure= much is possible, but if nobody is there...we shall never know.
Chris, G4AYT.
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