Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mp08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mp08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.193.76]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF084-5f014d1a1ba728d; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:17:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 62997380003DF; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PXd22-0000yd-DU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 17:08:18 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PXd21-0000yU-VR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 17:08:17 +0000 Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PXd1y-0001JY-S9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 17:08:17 +0000 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38so9264053wyb.16 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:08:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kylSMPS9wOtXWvW3a0zGTBclZWm6IPJxq3ffgy4bf/M=; b=UHlHSPANHu3jG676Y1SeGAzKoKX7UwSJS32XVdaFn8WQdiXoMqwbr6oQup+3KD1dQm 9JKDeNcLf3IWl0kKlTtoOv1GRSEQqR3tTQhhJRzmrdcSgT+cmAaw0zOEauaxGl7lIaDH RDF/hs8yvL7Bd9bfnjyUQS8SLESrRkOS5ly2U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Wt6jcXQIQXWXRfy5n47CP0h9t99ERVm/feyE3ZjKA/drPXkxgXpl7Mfa68QHNXLoMs uQGNQqbFv9CtsGYVMGtWNdC0j6P2eHtt/ggyfqnXEA+oTaojokJxihyDpfcAxPxr6yIo dGz426JebYXtkYRbo2doWj11Nux+Gb5xLw3DQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.217.3.13 with SMTP id q13mr1314112wes.70.1293556088020; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.69.15 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:08:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <101B609FB6D54B6D9FF4102ED3E158BE@AGB> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:08:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 160 to 190 KHz a real magic band ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d260.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc14c4d1a19bc7093 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I occasionally put a beacon on the 180 kHz band with 250 Watts out and have been copied in France and the Netherlands during the time each night that Europe 1 is off. No magic, about the same results as 137kHz except that 137 is quieter. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Gary - G4WGT wrote= : > Graham, > Have a listen after dark, I seem to remember it was quite horrendous las= t > time I looked at that part of the spectrum. I will have another listen > tonight. I think the EU chaps wait until Europe1 has stopped Txing. Here= is > one frequency I know of, extract from Joe's e-mail. > VO1NA,=A0184.509.3kHz > TX about 5 watts 0.4 amps to 100m wire at 15 m high. > 73, > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo. > LF MF Grabber=A0-=A0Web Site=A0-=A0Blogspot=A0-=A09kHz Grabber > > > > On 28 December 2010 16:22, Graham wrote: >> >> Ok Gary, >> >> Seems to=A0 be=A0 some quite big=A0 gaps=A0 in that=A0 spectrum , big= =A0 enough=A0 for >> a=A0 cw filter and=A0 wspr signal to=A0 sit=A0 with=A0 no=A0 splash ? >> >> G >> >> Nb looks like someone has the=A0 spam=A0 filter -mal-adjusted- ? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gary - G4WGT >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:54 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: 160 to 190 KHz a real magic band ? >> Graham, >> I have occasionally read mails on LF regarding U.S. 184kHz qrs beacons= & >> captures from Europe. Apparently there is a very powerful broadcast sta= tion >> in Europe on a near frequency which causes high qrm when on, I believe= it is >> "Europe1" >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> On 28 December 2010 12:16, Graham wrote: >>> >>> Lifted=A0 from the=A0 WSPR=A0 web site=A0 http://wsprnet.org/drupal/ >>> >>> 1 watt and=A0 15=A0 mtrs=A0 of antenna ,decoding=A0 over=A0 1148 kmtrs= =A0=A0, (best >>> round 2000k) =A0=A0=A0seems=A0 to=A0 make the=A0 137=A0 attempts look= a little 'coy=A0 with >>> somewhat=A0 bigger power levels and=A0 rather=A0 large=A0 arrays , (po= ssibly >>> mal-adjusted ?) >>> >>> Is this=A0 a band=A0 like 500=A0 with=A0 enhanced=A0 propagation ? >>> >>> WHAT IS THE=A0 POSSIBILITY OF A=A0 TA=A0 DECODE ? >>> >>> The frequency range is 160 to 190 KHz. This is most commonly known as >>> Part-15 operation ( under our FCC Part-15 rules ). The basics: Power= is >>> limited to 1 Watt DC Input to the Final amplifier, and the antenna len= gth >>> cannot exceed 15 meters, including the feed line, >>> >>> (XR4TN=A0 is the experimental=A0 call=A0 of=A0 KU4XR) >>> >>> 2010-12-10 11:16 XR4TN 0.185701 -27 0 EM75xr +30 1.000 W1VD FN31is 114= 8 >>> G.. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > --