Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.17]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-8ba14d14723011f; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 05:13:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BE27A3800009D; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 05:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PW4dF-00063v-KN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:12:17 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PW4dF-00063l-5C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:12:17 +0000 Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PW4dC-00089w-QO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:12:17 +0000 Received: by iyj21 with SMTP id 21so5787070iyj.16 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 02:12:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GPa0aVsSnAIqSW9ju5daRnVcEGI6UwQwScRfQxST1x0=; b=HJmMi7NnoZf90KkYhOhlij/KIaZLDj7jMVesHMTiOCJv3ebdsojGR3pfll3Q1F/2tt +gqli5TrIG+jMG4bdHLAiEPmVNrGulYDrOfDGfThDK74q8ocbLTM3YazwWlTGTugsAo2 t+jf1IKqv1k87FVzVQ4X6hEMd5kBgrrRS83Io= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Kc3d1CkzliMLHU5JsRvJZfDlKoqC8e5/noupKH1VjfFqQyj+3asgOv/lR8TASLgiKc LZpFnpPjpRfOsF9ZpBdXZ2ShBJhuHvkM0khtcEDWwv+vZV9rilrjpXc/gLfy09fZdM2d O/yga7pERkuU1SyrDOOa0SnFMJbqyDKFLuUQc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.207.84 with SMTP id fx20mr8987857ibb.62.1293185527979; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 02:12:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.211 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 02:12:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D146CA3.7090708@online.fr> References: <4D122CE9.26517.19CC01F@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <776F8577325D4C4881D6DFA12096E0D3@AGB> <001601cba2cc$b7138910$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1293134076.24424.16.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <000701cba312$63924420$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <4D145A2E.4080706@telus.net> <4D146CA3.7090708@online.fr> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:12:07 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FUZZY_VICODIN=1.595,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Full ID Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba4fc514061d8504982538b8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d221.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41114d14722d39d8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --90e6ba4fc514061d8504982538b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Joe Taylor has come up with the tightest source coding of amateur callsigns as built into the WSPR and JT65 protocols. By examining the make up of callsigns from letters numbers and spaces, with even those restricted in where they lie in the callsign, he compresses all possible ones - bar a few special event types - into 28 bits. Full coding details are in http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/WSPR_Coding_Process.pdf What we need now, for LF, is a way to turn the 28 bits of data into a frequency shift + on/off keyed scheme for reading directly off screen. Something better can probably be done than Morse / DFCW, although to read without the use of computer decoding will require a new operator skill / language to be learned. (Somehting for the already perfect CW OPs to get their teeth into perhaps :-) It ought to be poossible to code something up that is appreciably shorter than the full callsign, yet conveys that unambiguously. But, note that as the callsign has now had all its redundancy removed, ANY errors in decoding will generate an equally valid-looking but erroneous callsign. That's the penalty of good source coding - we see it occasionally on WSPR reports when noise/QRM manages to pass the error detection tests. Andy www.g4jnt.com --90e6ba4fc514061d8504982538b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Joe Taylor has come up with the tightest source=A0coding of amateur= callsigns as=A0built into the WSPR=A0and JT65 =A0protocols.=A0=A0=A0
By examining the make up of callsigns=A0from=A0letters numbers and sp= aces,=A0with even those restricted in where they lie in the callsign, he= compresses all possible=A0ones - bar a few special event types -=A0into= 28 bits.=A0=A0 Full coding details are in http://www.g4jnt.com/Coding/WSPR_Coding_P= rocess.pdf=A0
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What we need now, for LF, is a way to turn the=A028 bits of data into= a frequency=A0shift + on/off keyed scheme for reading directly off screen= .=A0=A0Something better can probably be done than=A0Morse / DFCW,=A0 altho= ugh to read without=A0the use of computer decoding will require a new oper= ator skill / language to be learned.=A0=A0=A0(Somehting for the already pe= rfect CW OPs to get their teeth into=A0 perhaps :-)

It ought to be poossible to code something up that is appreciably= shorter than the full callsign, yet conveys=A0that unambiguously.=A0 But,= note that as the callsign has now had all its redundancy removed, ANY err= ors in decoding will generate an equally valid-looking but erroneous calls= ign.=A0=A0=A0 That's the penalty of good source coding - we see it occ= asionally on WSPR reports when noise/QRM manages to pass the error detecti= on tests.
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Andy
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