Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dk12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dk12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.180.16]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-5eef4d1a16ab229; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:56:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9E8A3380023AD; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:41:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PXcar-0000fW-2o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:40:13 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PXcaq-0000fN-FO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:40:12 +0000 Received: from mail-gw0-f43.google.com ([74.125.83.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PXcam-0001Cv-W0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:40:12 +0000 Received: by gwb17 with SMTP id 17so4847755gwb.16 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:40:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=jz2EmchGRqUFVGrU2BprdX78E7aGRRIlyWY6EL0KES0=; b=iSWIxvcNUC8nzCqc6rlk9dJcxiwe0npDAxqLgXaawtQJ30aUjhJMuVCB/Y+bYsM4eQ npKQyj13ddIwB+i0fmbT5tR8Tt2plft4AxoMHz9U+/GkfIT/uVMy6w7KWB79NtbWf/dZ cuBULOnQVWTZQCKwunJtlJP7Ly0LpGiPwftKA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=aoeFemV8g12BvZYIqrq2C9KSYGP/eWV6Gf2mcfgasA3g2X3p5PwnnjIcMXrAQ7XWAm o+ae1PUs4wsIwCsEcp+9qOs7FAISfjyK2BsKoPKRxDDEw110ETtktd80RMmJV1yoGWxa dFzzVshcmjptp8PrML27Nmsp3/xmDjVO2afy8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.255.4 with SMTP id c4mr7704149ani.227.1293554402519; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.8.4 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:40:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <101B609FB6D54B6D9FF4102ED3E158BE@AGB> References: <101B609FB6D54B6D9FF4102ED3E158BE@AGB> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:40:02 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: TGB9UsiaPKJRuVzAwSe9dm81pFo Message-ID: From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 160 to 190 KHz a real magic band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016368e1bf0a8eb6404987b1ac1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m289.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4104d1a1324671c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016368e1bf0a8eb6404987b1ac1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Graham, Have a listen after dark, I seem to remember it was quite horrendous last time I looked at that part of the spectrum. I will have another listen tonight. I think the EU chaps wait until Europe1 has stopped Txing. Here is one frequency I know of, extract from Joe's e-mail. VO1NA, 184.509.3kHz TX about 5 watts 0.4 amps to 100m wire at 15 m high. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo. LF MF Grabber - Web Site - Blogspot - 9kHz Grabber On 28 December 2010 16:22, Graham wrote: > Ok Gary, > > Seems to be some quite big gaps in that spectrum , big enough for a > cw filter and wspr signal to sit with no splash ? > > G > > Nb looks like someone has the spam filter -mal-adjusted- ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Gary - G4WGT > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:54 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: 160 to 190 KHz a real magic band ? > > Graham, > > I have occasionally read mails on LF regarding U.S. 184kHz qrs beacons & > captures from Europe. Apparently there is a very powerful broadcast station > in Europe on a near frequency which causes high qrm when on, I believe it is > "Europe1" > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > On 28 December 2010 12:16, Graham wrote: > >> Lifted from the WSPR web site http://wsprnet.org/drupal/ >> >> 1 watt and 15 mtrs of antenna ,decoding over 1148 kmtrs , (best >> round 2000k) seems to make the 137 attempts look a little 'coy with >> somewhat bigger power levels and rather large arrays , (possibly >> mal-adjusted ?) >> >> Is this a band like 500 with enhanced propagation ? >> >> WHAT IS THE POSSIBILITY OF A TA DECODE ? >> >> The frequency range is 160 to 190 KHz. This is most commonly known as >> Part-15 operation ( under our FCC Part-15 rules ). The basics: Power is >> limited to 1 Watt DC Input to the Final amplifier, and the antenna length >> cannot exceed 15 meters, including the feed line, >> >> (XR4TN is the experimental call of KU4XR) >> >> 2010-12-10 11:16 XR4TN 0.185701 -27 0 EM75xr +30 1.000 W1VD FN31is 1148 >> G.. >> >> >> > > > > > > -- --0016368e1bf0a8eb6404987b1ac1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham,

Have a listen after dark, I seem to remember it= was quite horrendous last time I looked at that part of the spectrum. I= will have another listen tonight. I think the EU chaps wait until Europe1= has stopped Txing. Here is one frequency I know of, extract from Joe'= s e-mail.

VO1NA,=A0184.509.3kHz
TX about 5 watts 0.4 amps to 100m wire at 15 m high.=

73,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qo.




On 28 December 2010 16:22, Graham <= g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
Ok Gary,
=A0
Seems to=A0 be=A0 some quite big=A0= =20 gaps=A0 in that=A0 spectrum , big=A0 enough=A0 for a=A0 cw filter=20 and=A0 wspr signal to=A0 sit=A0 with=A0 no=A0 splash=20 ?
=A0
G
=A0
Nb looks like someone has the=A0 spam= =A0=20 filter -mal-adjusted- ?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary -=20 G4WGT
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010= 2:54=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 160 to 190 KHz a= real=20 magic band ?

Graham,

I have occasionally read mails on LF regarding U.S. 184kHz qrs beac= ons=20 & captures from Europe. Apparently there is a very powerful broadcas= t=20 station in Europe on a near frequency which causes high qrm when on, I= believe=20 it is "Europe1"

Gary - G4WGT.


On 28 December 2010 12:16, Graham <= g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>=20 wrote:
Lifted=A0 from the=A0 WSPR=A0 web= =20 site=A0 http://wsprne= t.org/drupal/
=A0
1 watt and=A0 15=A0 mtrs=A0 of an= tenna=20 ,decoding=A0 over=A0 1148 kmtrs=A0=A0, (best round 2000k)=20 =A0=A0=A0seems=A0 to=A0 make the=A0 137=A0 attempts=20 look a little 'coy=A0 with=A0 somewhat=A0 bigger power levels=20 and=A0 rather=A0 large=A0 arrays , (possibly mal-adjusted=20 ?)
=A0
Is this=A0 a band=A0 like 500=A0= =20 with=A0 enhanced=A0 propagation ?
=A0
WHAT IS THE=A0 POSSIBILITY OF A= =A0=20 TA=A0 DECODE ?
=A0
The frequency range is 160 to 190 KHz. This is most commonly know= n as=20 Part-15 operation ( under our FCC Part-15 rules ). The basics: Power= is=20 limited to 1 Watt DC Input to the Final amplifier, and the antenna len= gth=20 cannot exceed 15 meters, including the feed line,
=A0
(XR4TN=A0 is the experimental=A0= =20 call=A0 of=A0 KU4XR)
=A0
2010-12-10 11:16 XR4TN 0.185701 -27 0 EM75xr +30 1.000 W1VD FN31i= s 1148=20
G..











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