Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.83]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD011-86074d028a043cd; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:13:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 10C7B3800013F; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PR9Ku-0002EW-87 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:13:00 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PR9Kt-0002EN-GV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:12:59 +0000 Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com ([209.85.161.170]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PR9Kq-0005Cm-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:12:59 +0000 Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so2447413gxk.1 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:12:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JMwP7H/8A8AfwRkD8tV8LnmxX0jNoKVlvP77I6uFLeo=; b=weZLZZ0zgNfpOWk+8J8H06ztMLRsoS34nEUQ5eMnCH5CbE7b5644a+2QQaGeBoGRDc D1sl6xu8HyXsD3Qs3aXpCIa4+ZVZ8AXrQq3tmIFBVQ04edC5nh3smkppk7QkgWMDRpT0 zlHI84hJQSA9Rd445GkvaK/pm1TlQhGtrDcvQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=VgGzKG43LLR1k+u32VxMtsyTytp+kboIwpjt7ddO/G5REhi6zMskINujY5OZjlOBrE swVRCrf6Cjbhh9Q2BnxRI1aUJOmzqp/pxHOyKqXEF5yL5dtblCrwKnhftxvw698Zeehy G7s+G02igMenHwarqvgPUGGMY2Le8jZM1zUcw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.171.197 with SMTP id k5mr883477icz.505.1292011969530; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.165.10 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:12:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:12:49 +0000 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, Chris Osborn , James Cowburn , G6ALB DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Earth mode ranges Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e860c7d4a19049713fa61 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d293.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40534d028a01768f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --90e6ba6e860c7d4a19049713fa61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A further observation from my 8.76kHz earth mode test today: with 17dB above the noise signals at 5.1km using QRSS3 there is plenty of (theoretical) range still to be had with utilities assisted earth mode, even using just 5W. Assuming 18dB loss every time distance is doubled (an inverse cubed attenuation rate for induction/conduction - is this right?) then almost 10km should just be possible, assuming the utilities that are aiding propagation are still there in the ground. Going from QRSS3 to QRSS30 should give another 8-10dB (see http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136narro.htm#QRSS). Increase power from 5W to 100W gains another 13dB, so QRSS30 and 100W could give a range of some 20km by utilities assisted earth mode in favourable places based on my limited tests so far. So, in some locations using the utilities buried in the ground all around us could offer some quite decent ranges with an earth electrode "antenna" at the TX end that requires minimal matching and no large loading coils, just a step-up transformer. What is less clear to me is what exactly is the signal being carried along? Water pipes (often these are plastic now), overhead mains cables, gas pipes (usually non-metallic), phone lines, rivers even? And what about the propagation along a sea coast with one electrode on a buoy 100m out from the shore? Not radiated VLF DX, but fascinating. 73s Roger G3XBM -- g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ www.g3xbm.co.uk www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --90e6ba6e860c7d4a19049713fa61 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A further observation from my 8.76kHz earth mode test today: with 17dB abo= ve the noise=20 signals at 5.1km using QRSS3 there is plenty of (theoretical) range=20 still to be had with utilities assisted earth mode, even using just 5W.
Assuming 18dB loss every time distance is doubled (an inverse cubed=20 attenuation rate for induction/conduction - is this right?) then almost=20 10km should just be possible, assuming the utilities that are aiding=20 propagation are still there in the ground. Going from QRSS3 to QRSS30=20 should give another 8-10dB (see http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136narro.htm#QRSS). Increase power from 5W to 100W gains another 13dB, so QRSS30 and 100W=20 could give a range of some 20km by utilities assisted earth mode in=20 favourable places based on my limited tests so far.

So, in some locations using the utilities buried in the ground all=20 around us could offer some quite decent ranges with an earth electrode=20 "antenna" at the TX end that requires minimal matching and no la= rge=20 loading coils, just a step-up transformer.=A0

What is less clear= to me is what exactly is the signal being carried=20 along? Water pipes (often these are plastic now), overhead mains cables, gas pipes (usually non-metallic), phone lines, rivers even?=A0 And what about the propagation along a sea coast with one electrode on a= buoy 100m out from the shore?

Not radiated VLF DX, but fascinating= .

73s
Roger G3XBM

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