Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mk10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mk10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.97.142]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC033-864f4cf69fa52b8; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:19:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E3FB738000192; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PNsC6-0004fe-T8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:18:22 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PNsC6-0004fS-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:18:22 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PNsC4-0007hG-2D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:18:22 +0000 Received: by bwz14 with SMTP id 14so6298512bwz.16 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:18:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jn+2iCIuQohlkPpyhNEfwgjP2W8lyMlvypYN4nchnec=; b=fcn5pCt+NzSEjYTUlGQ400A89I8Y5pCHVO9HPybBkOK6RzmEEjtEXLdNb5a85Kd967 S+HbvsnJYc7fhGRB1Ri11eOvyr4ZAf+7av0xFCVCfTQ53LREt9hv6MytkVXJe90kKSX6 2QGJ/C3L74J6v4C4cuUIGxHxQhWDFG0hPztyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=WTnwKkx0LDW/YkXxM40Y3083xAvzA9vyHqwb167oS006ePttkYtB9DRR0O1xUQU2Lo JtNpyBWNNE3JMlNPWhYl4xMEYBxyVGG29LBVGaEItPaZpdAfBD1kSgFNa2Cc4enZuYPs FCacjH0izDKvBN466GMpX5UUEqfUiQVItcH2E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.121.136 with SMTP id h8mr8784213bkr.103.1291231098235; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.48.215 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:18:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <008601cb918a$f10ee270$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <004201cb916a$6326d000$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4CF685CC.6030401@telus.net> <008601cb918a$f10ee270$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:18:18 +0000 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: QRS SPEED Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b43211eef77604965e2a8c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_EXPERIENCE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m237.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d618e4cf69fa359ae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636b43211eef77604965e2a8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, If you read the posts you will see this QSO has been very well documented here on this group. 73s Roger G3XBM On 1 December 2010 19:07, mal hamilton wrote: > Om > Can you please produce evidence of your JA qso. > I would like to see the Argo shots of your QSO ie Callsigns in both > directions and reports exchanged. > I can supply evidence of my DX QSO'S TA and normal CW QSO'S with Russian > stations. > I and others await this information > de mal/g3kev > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Scott Tilley > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:28 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: QRS SPEED > > Mal > > What do you know... Answer, nothing useful to this discussion. > > You have no experience using long dot lengths or paths outside the small > confines of EU on LF where it's easy to preach your BS as it only works > because of the density of stations... > > Also your preaching about much power and huge vertical antennas is not > relevant. Once you reach a certain point say the 1W ERP limit we are all > equal. So the only multipliers left is integration and operator practice > using long integration technologies. > > Alas, this is what burns you up as you have no skill in these areas and > when you try you end up working the neighbour's toaster oven as your comical > attempt to copy Stefan on 9KHz demonstrated... > > It's too bad you're the type of dog that can't be taught new tricks... > > So rather than waste BW on the reflector spend some time TRYING to work > some real DX at say the 12000km or 7100km range and then post some > meaningful comments. You'll find that your worn bag of tricks won't work. > > 73 Scott > > > > > > > > On 12/1/2010 3:14 PM, mal hamilton wrote: > > LF/MF > Like I have said many times before. QRS speeds of 3 or 10 are usually > sufficient and maybe 30 in extreme cases but speeds of 120, 240 and slower > are not useful because of QSB and QRM hits breaking up the trace and > producing misleading results. > in fact even faster CW is useful for an ID under poor or bad fading > conditions. > Use as much power as possible and a good elevated antenna to overcome path > fading and qrm. QRP signals are vy prone to QSB whereas the QRO signals make > it to DX destinations. > Grabbers running at vy slow speeds are not useful > > de mal/g3kev > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --001636b43211eef77604965e2a8c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

If you read the posts you will see this QSO has been very well= documented here on this group.

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 1 December 2010 19:07, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>= ; wrote:
Om
Can you please produce evidence of yo= ur JA=20 qso.
I would like to see the Argo shots of= your QSO ie=20 Callsigns in both directions and reports exchanged.
I can supply evidence of my DX QSO= 9;S TA and normal=20 CW QSO'S with Russian stations.
I and others await this information
de mal/g3kev
=A0
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Scott Tilley=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 20= 10 5:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QRS SPEED

Mal

What do you know... Answer, nothing useful to= this=20 discussion.

You have no experience using long dot lengths or path= s=20 outside the small confines of EU on LF where it's easy to preach you= r BS as it=20 only works because of the density of stations...

Also your preach= ing=20 about much power and huge vertical antennas is not relevant.=A0 Once you= =20 reach a certain point say the 1W ERP limit we are all equal. So the only= =20 multipliers left is integration and operator practice using long integra= tion=20 technologies.

Alas, this is what burns you up as you have no skil= l in=20 these areas and when you try you end up working the neighbour's toas= ter oven=20 as your comical attempt to copy Stefan on 9KHz demonstrated...

It= 's too=20 bad you're the type of dog that can't be taught new tricks...
So=20 rather than waste BW on the reflector spend some time TRYING to work som= e real=20 DX at say the 12000km or 7100km range and then post some meaningful=20 comments.=A0 You'll find that your worn bag of tricks won't work= .

73=20 Scott




=A0


On 12/1/2010 3:14 PM, mal hamil= ton=20 wrote:=20
=20 =20
LF/MF
Like I have said many times befor= e. QRS speeds=20 of 3 or 10 are usually sufficient and maybe 30 in extreme cases but sp= eeds=20 of 120, 240 and slower are not useful because of QSB and QRM hits brea= king=20 up the trace and producing misleading results.
in fact even faster CW is useful= for an ID=20 under poor or bad fading conditions.
Use as much power as possible and= a good=20 elevated=A0antenna =A0to overcome path fading and qrm. QRP signals are= =20 vy prone to QSB whereas the QRO signals make it to DX=20 destinations.
Grabbers running at vy slow speed= s are not=20 useful
=A0
de mal/g3kev
=A0



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