Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD013-86574d08ff5298; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:48:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 01345380000C3; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PSvRU-0004s7-EE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:47:08 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PSvRT-0004ry-Su for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:47:07 +0000 Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSvRR-0006PG-2n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:47:07 +0000 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38so1706384wyb.16 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:46:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:references:from :content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=/fT1I/ddedFfG74EjPzicmDxWvgYeTBlpTpTYQ30yVM=; b=P/QMCogOeREbTbQgzla1JMcan5Sa3WMoTE2M7erlNKN3iiNOutg/zsMKo3vKGexHh2 RWGp2dmK8a+0r/1uVbQ9M7jK3mAsGuMphpjHQuLETzrud4TJqoLIahTRlxLQygJD4Nht DwdzvEj93Q1zEC+A9PFis7HhbhMcVc1pglXew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=YWhkQq1m+IJbsagi6iC0rOs2AToUgCR31qOXzBHf8KEEKM7yJ8ac0ikrzUX/rEeCEn k2/XDTuJtYurwoKsX/1GZi6akdAAqJisb5xC9bfwJvIDUvsw7HlRtSGWpPHiUQBp7KSI vpEN0t1Z9GuatfO3asA7IByHLNa1ulPXgGKsI= Received: by 10.227.60.208 with SMTP id q16mr2050334wbh.184.1292435219372; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (cpc3-cmbg14-0-0-cust445.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com [213.106.93.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 11sm4800502wbi.0.2010.12.15.09.46.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:46:58 -0800 (PST) References: <2D9F1290-9246-4DFD-A0E6-D9D58DEF00AC@numeo.fr> <004301cb9c7b$1ee6e530$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: Roger Lapthorn X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: <004301cb9c7b$1ee6e530$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Message-Id: <5DE9A45B-E923-46C1-A753-F219123F3B4E@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:47:31 +0000 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Re: VLF - distances achjeved Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-595442502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m236.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d44d08ff505c98 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-5-595442502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rubbish=20 Sent from my iPod Touch 4g On 15 Dec 2010, at 17:11, "mal hamilton" wrote: > John > Be careful what you publish for accuracy, there are conflicting reports= about what takes place on VLF/LF/MF - lots of inaccuracies. > ie carriers seen but no ID then the questions on the reflector, was tha= t you if not who was it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > I saw an X then a Y who was that? Too much guesswork and no positive ID > Published articles need hard facts and some people would believe anythin= g they read. It is like newspapers often the facts are distorted to make= a good story and it is hard to tell FACTS from FICTION > =20 > G3KEV > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Rabson > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:55 AM > Subject: LF: VLF - distances achjeved >=20 > I am writing a piece on VLF for the Cave Radio & Electronics Group Journ= al and would like to include distance records. Can people please confirm= that the following information is correct (or not)? >=20 > Above-ground antennas >=20 > Hz > ERP mW > From > To > km > 8970 > 58 > Heidelberg > Israel > 2873 > 6470 > 9 > Heidelberg > Breclav > 904 > 5170 > 5 > Heidelberg > Breclav > 904 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Earth current antennas >=20 > Hz > TX power W > Electrode spacing m > From > To > km > 8970 > 250 > 600 > Heidelberg > Roschbach > 72 > 6470 > 250 > 600 > Heidelberg > Roschbach > 72 > 5170 > 250 > 600 > Heidelberg > Roschbach > 72 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thank you. > John F5VLF >=20 --Apple-Mail-5-595442502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Rubbish 

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On 15 Dec 2010, at 17:11, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

John
Be careful what you publish for accuracy, there are conflicting reports about what takes place on VLF/LF/MF - lots of inaccuracies.
ie carriers seen but no ID then the questions on the reflector,  was that you if not who was it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I saw an X then a Y who was that? Too much guesswork and no positive ID
Published articles need hard facts and some people would believe anything they read. It is like newspapers often the facts are distorted to make a good story and it is hard to tell FACTS from FICTION
 
G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: LF: VLF - distances achjeved

I am writing a piece on VLF for the Cave Radio & Electronics Group Journal and would like to include distance records.  Can people please confirm that the following information is correct (or not)?


Above-ground antennas


Hz
ERP mW
From
To
km
8970
58
Heidelberg
Israel
2873
6470
9
Heidelberg
Breclav
904
5170
5
Heidelberg
Breclav
904





Earth current antennas


Hz
TX power W
Electrode spacing m
From
To
km
8970
250
600
Heidelberg
Roschbach
72
6470
250
600
Heidelberg
Roschbach
72
5170
250
600
Heidelberg
Roschbach
72





Thank you.

John F5VLF


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