Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mi08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mi08.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB043-86464d1e32e7373; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:45:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mi08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9D8BE38000084; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PYku2-0006iV-R9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:44:42 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PYku2-0006iM-9O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:44:42 +0000 Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.97]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PYku0-0000IE-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:44:42 +0000 Received: from mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.195]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id oBVJiMDG028724 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:44:22 -0500 Received: from White (nrbg-4dbf8bd5.pool.mediaWays.net [77.191.139.213]) by mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id BF7BDE0000A2 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:44:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5A19461B23714E05B9C23172F4A97C76@White> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <11250.89514.qm@web28501.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><4D1DC897.2060606@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><76636.6973.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><1567AC3A96624647ADC1F52EF1A1E625@JimPC><732174.92691.qm@web28506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <6DEB3BAD63314CE598337148AF10CAE0@JimPC> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:44:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: VLF - G3XIZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039400cded04d1e32e5077f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Dear Jim, Chris, dreamers, very happy to read this, well done both! I had shifted the display range of my grabber a few times to your frequency, but unfortunately no traces in Bavaria yet. However I believe this will be feasible on a quiet day, given your estimated radiated power and a long stabilized carrier. Wishing the best of luck, and a happy new year to all in the group, Markus (DF6NM) From: James Moritz Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 6:45 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: VLF - G3XIZ Dear Chris, LF Group, The signal disappeared some time around 1520utc - the complete trace is shown in the attachment. I made an estimate of the field strength of your signal by injecting a test signal at a known EMF into the loop antenna, and comparing with the level of your signal. The received FS at the strongest point (around 1330utc) worked out to be 1.8uV/m. Taking the distance between our locations as 37km, your ERP would have been 87uW. The SNR at best was around 15dB, making the noise level 0.32uV/m in the FFT noise bandwidth of 2.1mHz, or a noise density of 7uV/m per sqrt(Hz) Assuming a 50m vertical wire (heff ~ 25m), Rrad of your antenna at 8.97kHz would be 880micro-ohms. Assuming 2.62dB directivity for an electrically short monopole compared to a dipole, and Iant of 200mA, the calculated value of ERP would then be 64uW. So there is reasonable agreement between these two calculations, the difference only being 1.3dB. Thanks for the tests, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU