Return-Path: Received: from imd-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (imd-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.27.85]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF053-5ef44d1c68ad255; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:10:42 -0500 Received: from mtain-di10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.14]) by imd-mb11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Inbound Mail Deferral) with ESMTP id 0295B700000B1; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-di10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3F97238000127; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PYGHs-0006EX-Sb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:03:16 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PYGHs-0006EO-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:03:16 +0000 Received: from mout8.freenet.de ([195.4.92.98]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PYGHr-0005bZ-OX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:03:16 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.21] (helo=11.mx.freenet.de) by mout8.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.72 #3) id 1PYGHq-0000wc-LI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:03:14 +0100 Received: from blfd-4d08290e.pool.mediaways.net ([77.8.41.14]:1107 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by 11.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.72 #3) id 1PYGHq-0003IQ-CB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:03:14 +0100 Message-ID: <4D1C66F0.20102@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:03:12 +0100 From: wolf_dl4yhf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5010F8F002AC4F598A01115AA882C5CD@White> <4D17D186.9010504@gmail.com> <002401cba55d$47d7fcf0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <1EDC8A62B7414B45AA7725E81BB5111F@White> <4D191F8C.8060209@toya.net.pl> <4D1927DC.4080103@toya.net.pl> <4D1929D0.1050308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4D1BC000.5070507@toya.net.pl> <4D1C620E.6050404@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4D1C620E.6050404@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: LF: LF "Mobile" ( was : "NM" on 136177 ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d400e4d1c672672b0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Stefan, you wrote: > This should allow me to easily receive 137 kHz while driving the car! > Hopefully there is not to much QRM during engine is running. > So maybe i can try a crossband QSO with DF6NM TXing on 137 and me answering on 30m while beeing on the highway :-) Maybe, it's a Diesel engine, and the alternator properly low-pass filtered. I tried this years ago, and the QRM from the ignition coil, and / or the alternator was horrible. No big surprise that car radios with AM LF broadcast receivers have disappeared. And weak-signal reception "LF mobile" is even more a challenge. In my Corolla, I would even have to disconnect the battery (!) if I was to receive VLF (and, most likely, LF too) because some internal digital bus (most likely CAN or LIN) remains active, with the ignition and everything else turned off. For temporary V(!)LF operation on a remote site, I use a simple FM oscillator at the transmitter now, and listen to the VLF signals in the car's radio, using a distance of 10 m or so. Cheers and a happy new year, Wolf DL4YHF .