Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.15]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDI024-eabd4d0917f846; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:33:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A765738000132; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PSx4y-00088r-3p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:32:00 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PSx4x-00088i-DG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:31:59 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=defout.telus.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSx4v-0007U7-38 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:31:59 +0000 Received: from edtncm03 ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes26.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.8.01.03.00 201-2260-125-20100507) with ESMTP id <20101215193152.IJFL24858.priv-edtnes26.telusplanet.net@edtncm03> for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:31:52 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.66] ([75.157.163.113]) by edtncm03 with bizsmtp id jXXd1f02k2T6cgj01XXdCj; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:31:51 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=fyCjkNUOXfRd++OiuY8zElBvqWlYEuXZwQbH0kh91uo= c=1 sm=1 a=fZJloBWO1wW5k1qUllWWvA==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=vu5ZHecWfABbjfqX404A:9 a=5YibwXCcgcYj7D1rcrsA:7 a=Gg_e8jGndWeCanVIJkv4HmMtA5sA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=lFK6Rmy_bwpTnWFAs0oA:9 a=dpqPvLjhafIYSVQDAn8A:7 a=ThiU4DmdN3c6XBTzjS6MStUcwsYA:4 a=fZJloBWO1wW5k1qUllWWvA==:117 Message-ID: <4D09179A.2060506@telus.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:31:38 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2D9F1290-9246-4DFD-A0E6-D9D58DEF00AC@numeo.fr> <004301cb9c7b$1ee6e530$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <5DE9A45B-E923-46C1-A753-F219123F3B4E@gmail.com> <007b01cb9c87$ebe1c170$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <007b01cb9c87$ebe1c170$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.452,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: LF: Rules of the Sand Box! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000202020704050905010302" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410f4d0917f560b5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------000202020704050905010302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only reports I've seen on the reflector that I suspect are those from you Mal. I've never seen evidence from you other than that you lack modern operating skills and generate a lot of hyperbole. You operate a station that is out of the dark ages without accurate frequency calibration, relying on technology and skills of the 1940s and the inability to employ modern integration techniques. Yet you feel you have a 'right' to use the reflector to defame respected members of our hobby and challenge their honour. Somehow you have become deluded to believe you are the arbiter of what is valid amateur radio. You're not, you're a grumpy old man, with no other outlet in life by the look of it, and I suggest you reflect on that before WE insist that you be removed from the dialog here. Again, I ask you to 'play nice' in the sand box. The rules are simple(for most of us!): * Share your toys * Play Fair * Don't hit people * Put things back where you found them * Clean up your own mess * Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody * Don't tell lies * Live a balanced life 73 Scott VE7TIL On 12/15/2010 6:43 PM, mal hamilton wrote: > Are you referring to the msg sent earlier on from Stefan stating there > was another BUG > Are you saying this is Rubbish or what do you mean please explain, I > was only quoting an email that I read and advising John to be careful. > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lapthorn > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 15, 2010 5:47 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: VLF - distances achjeved > > Rubbish > > Sent from my iPod Touch 4g > > On 15 Dec 2010, at 17:11, "mal hamilton" > wrote: > >> John >> Be careful what you publish for accuracy, there are conflicting >> reports about what takes place on VLF/LF/MF - lots of inaccuracies. >> ie carriers seen but no ID then the questions on the reflector, >> was that you if not who was it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> I saw an X then a Y who was that? Too much guesswork and no >> positive ID >> Published articles need hard facts and some people would believe >> anything they read. It is like newspapers often the facts are >> distorted to make a good story and it is hard to tell FACTS from >> FICTION >> G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* John Rabson >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:55 AM >> *Subject:* LF: VLF - distances achjeved >> >> I am writing a piece on VLF for the Cave Radio & Electronics >> Group Journal and would like to include distance records. >> Can people please confirm that the following information is >> correct (or not)? >> >> >> Above-ground antennas >> >> >> Hz >> >> ERP mW >> >> From >> >> To >> >> km >> 8970 >> >> 58 >> >> Heidelberg >> >> Israel >> >> 2873 >> 6470 >> >> 9 >> >> Heidelberg >> >> Breclav >> >> 904 >> 5170 >> >> 5 >> >> Heidelberg >> >> Breclav >> >> 904 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Earth current antennas >> >> >> Hz >> >> TX power W >> >> Electrode spacing m >> >> From >> >> To >> >> km >> 8970 >> >> 250 >> >> 600 >> >> Heidelberg >> >> Roschbach >> >> 72 >> 6470 >> >> 250 >> >> 600 >> >> Heidelberg >> >> Roschbach >> >> 72 >> 5170 >> >> 250 >> >> 600 >> >> Heidelberg >> >> Roschbach >> >> 72 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> John F5VLF >> >> --------------000202020704050905010302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only reports I've seen on the reflector that I suspect are those from you Mal.

I've never seen evidence from you other than that you lack modern operating skills and generate a lot of hyperbole.

You operate a station that is out of the dark ages without accurate frequency calibration, relying on technology and skills of the 1940s and the inability to employ modern integration techniques.

Yet you feel you have a 'right' to use the reflector to defame respected members of our hobby and challenge their honour. 

Somehow you have become deluded to believe you are the arbiter of what is valid amateur radio.

You're not, you're a grumpy old man, with no other outlet in life by the look of it, and I suggest you reflect on that before WE insist that you be removed from the dialog here.

Again, I ask you to 'play nice' in the sand box.

The rules are simple(for most of us!):
  • Share your toys
  • Play Fair
  • Don't hit people
  • Put things back where you found them
  • Clean up your own mess
  • Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody
  • Don't tell lies
  • Live a balanced life


73 Scott
VE7TIL






 

On 12/15/2010 6:43 PM, mal hamilton wrote:
Are you referring to the msg sent earlier on from Stefan stating there was another BUG
Are you saying this is Rubbish or what do you mean please explain, I was only quoting an email that I read and advising John to be careful.
 
g3kev
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: VLF - distances achjeved

Rubbish 

Sent from my iPod Touch 4g

On 15 Dec 2010, at 17:11, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

John
Be careful what you publish for accuracy, there are conflicting reports about what takes place on VLF/LF/MF - lots of inaccuracies.
ie carriers seen but no ID then the questions on the reflector,  was that you if not who was it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I saw an X then a Y who was that? Too much guesswork and no positive ID
Published articles need hard facts and some people would believe anything they read. It is like newspapers often the facts are distorted to make a good story and it is hard to tell FACTS from FICTION
 
G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: LF: VLF - distances achjeved

I am writing a piece on VLF for the Cave Radio & Electronics Group Journal and would like to include distance records.  Can people please confirm that the following information is correct (or not)?


Above-ground antennas


Hz
ERP mW
From
To
km
8970
58
Heidelberg
Israel
2873
6470
9
Heidelberg
Breclav
904
5170
5
Heidelberg
Breclav
904






Earth current antennas


Hz
TX power W
Electrode spacing m
From
To
km
8970
250
600
Heidelberg
Roschbach
72
6470
250
600
Heidelberg
Roschbach
72
5170
250
600
Heidelberg
Roschbach
72






Thank you.

John F5VLF


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