Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.223]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-a9324d066c3534f; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:55:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5D79F380001CD; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:55:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PSDY5-00010w-SA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:55:01 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PSDY5-00010n-De for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:55:01 +0000 Received: from mout5.freenet.de ([195.4.92.95]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSDY4-0005p9-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:55:01 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.16] (helo=6.mx.freenet.de) by mout5.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.72 #3) id 1PSDY2-0006Rb-JN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:54:58 +0100 Received: from blfd-4db1bc28.pool.mediaways.net ([77.177.188.40]:4623 helo=[192.168.0.101]) by 6.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.72 #3) id 1PSDY2-0001Qr-B6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:54:58 +0100 Message-ID: <4D066C01.6080205@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:54:57 +0100 From: wolf_dl4yhf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM - very long carrier VLF transmission test Dec 15th Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020303000407010400030704" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40df4d066c317e6e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------020303000407010400030704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Roger, Do you have an estimate about your transmitter's frequency stability (mHz per minute or similar) ? This would help to guesstimate a half-way matched FFT bin width, or -if you prefer- QRSS speed index. Anyway, even for listeners/viewers in your neighbourhood, I'd suggest to use a setting for QRSS 120, or, if soft/hardware permits, even slower mode to sequeeze the last fraction of a dB out of the equivalent receiver bandwidth. Unfortunately no good site for RX reception here, otherwise I'd like to test a new GPS-stabilized receiver. Maybe in a few weeks, using a remote VLF site with wideband FM link. Good luck with the test, 73, Wolf DL4YHF . Am 12.12.2010 23:51, schrieb Roger Lapthorn: > This Wednesday, Dec 15th, I will run tests on *8.7608kHz* with very > long continuous TX periods of _several hours_ interspersed with gaps > of 0.5 to 1 hour. Transmissions will start at 0900GMT and finish at > 2300GMT. I will reveal the TX pattern after the test so the test is > done "blind". > > I'd be most grateful if suitably equipped stations could look for any > possible signs of the signal, even though I shall only be using the > 20m spaced earth electrodes and 5W as used for my local earthmode > tests. Those able to screw the bandwidths right down may just be able > to detect something, although I think it is unlikely at any great > distance. > > *15.12.10 * > *0900-2300z * > *8.7608kHz * > *Carrier "on" periods of 30mins or more* > > Good luck to anyone having a go. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > www.g3xbm.co.uk > www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --------------020303000407010400030704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Roger,

Do you have an estimate about your transmitter's frequency stability (mHz per minute or similar) ?
This would help to guesstimate a half-way matched FFT bin width, or -if you prefer- QRSS speed index. Anyway, even for listeners/viewers in your neighbourhood, I'd suggest to use a setting for QRSS 120, or, if soft/hardware permits, even slower mode to sequeeze the last fraction of a dB out of the equivalent receiver bandwidth.

Unfortunately no good site for RX reception here, otherwise I'd like to test a new GPS-stabilized receiver. Maybe in a few weeks, using a remote VLF site with wideband FM link.

Good luck with the test,
  73,   Wolf DL4YHF .

Am 12.12.2010 23:51, schrieb Roger Lapthorn:
This Wednesday, Dec 15th, I will run tests on 8.7608kHz with very long continuous TX periods of several hours interspersed with gaps of 0.5 to 1 hour. Transmissions will start at 0900GMT and finish at 2300GMT. I will reveal the TX pattern after the test so the test is done "blind".

I'd be most grateful if suitably equipped stations could look for any possible signs of the signal, even though I shall only be using the 20m spaced earth electrodes and 5W as used for my local earthmode tests. Those able to screw the bandwidths right down may just be able to detect something, although I think it is unlikely at any great distance.

15.12.10    
0900-2300z 
8.7608kHz   
Carrier "on" periods of 30mins or more

Good luck to anyone having a go.

73s
Roger G3XBM

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g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
www.g3xbm.co.uk
www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm
G3XBM   GQRP 1678    ISWL G11088

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