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From: Scott Tilley <sthed475@telus.net>
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Subject: Re: LF: QRSS120 and grabbers
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I have 1W EIRP.  What more can I generate?

Please provide the technical specs of your station to determine if it is=
=20
compliant with regulations.   I see no point in trying if you're bending=
=20
the rules in such a way as to tarnish the result.



On 12/1/2010 7:35 PM, mal hamilton wrote:
> Experience from this end on MF  dictates that my sunrise is optimum for
> VE7/W7/W6 and KL7. I have worked many over the years.
> Do you have the FIREPOWER
> De G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mal hamilton"<g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> To:<rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: QRSS120 and grabbers
>
>
>> OM
>> I will fire up but is your CW up to scratch? You will hear me but will=
 I
> be
>> able to hear you?
>> I want callsigns exchanged and not O X O procedure
>> de g3kev
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Tilley"<sthed475@telus.net>
>> To:<rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: LF: QRSS120 and grabbers
>>
>>
>> So Mal
>>
>> Why are you not calling CQ then?  I'm listening!!
>>
>> Stop talking and start radiating some of that mind numbing ERP you have=
.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/2010 5:06 PM, mal hamilton wrote:
>>> I have some nice pics of my signal a few years back being received TA=
 at
>>> QRS 3 on 137 Kcs also 500 Kcs last year.
>>> also NC1K was able to copy G3KEV and MM0ALM on normal CW in the past.
>>> When there was an abundance of acty on 137 a few years ago I could cop=
y
>> the
>>> USA stations on QRS1 and normal CW.
>>> For those serious about TA qso's a well engineered station and elevate=
d
>>> antenna will do the trick without a struggle. There is no need for QRS
>>> slower than 30 sec dot.
>>> VE1JG was a big player in the past along with VE1ZZ and both  able to
> copy
>>> my CW
>>> Many TA QSO'S have taken place in the past when there was lots of acty
>> from
>>> the UK in particular. and I have made dozens of contacts especially
> around
>>> this time of year. In the early days the USA had to reply xband usuall=
y
>> for
>>> me on 7 Mcs because they did not have a permit for 137
>>> At the present time some seem to be RE-INVENTING the wheel, obviously
> not
>>> reading past history about LF.
>>> de Mal/G3KEV
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer"<Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
>>> To:<rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: LF: QRSS120 and grabbers
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, some thoughts:
>>>>
>>>> Am 01.12.2010 15:36, schrieb Mike Dennison
>>>>> I believe the danger is to regard this as the 'optimum' speed for DX
>>>>> working, simply because the S/N ratio is good.
>>>> Is that really a danger?
>>>>>     In practice, there is
>>>>> another factor in play. There is often rapid and deep fading on a DX
>>>>> path, often resulting in only parts of letters being received at thi=
s
>>>>> speed, even though the peak signal is quite strong (see many of the
>>>>> pictures of transatlantic reception regularly posted on this group).
>>>>>
>>>>> The situation becomes worse if the final aim of experimenting with=
 a
>>>>> path is to have a two-way DX QSO. Even exchanging minimal
>>>>> information, a QSO will take several hours, during which time the
>>>>> conditions must hold up.
>>>> When was the last real QSO done in QRSS>=3D 30? I rember the contact
>>>> between VE7TIL and JA7NI but most of the active people are just
>>>> transmitting a character (representing their callsign) in beacon mode=
.
> I
>>>> have never seen a "CQ ... K" in 60 or 120.
>>>> So if one just wants to transmit a beacon signal it doesn't matter if
>>>> there is some QSB. As an example, XGJ is monitored very often most of
>>>> the nights. If the G would be lost (X_J)and in the next turn the J
> would
>>>> be lost (XG_), anyway everbody would know it't (XGJ). Furthermore the
> DX
>>>> interested OMs gets the confirmation on the other grabbers.
>>>> If a QSO is wanted, i fully agree with your opinion. But a QSO means
>>>> that both stations are sitting in front of the PC, so they can change
>>>> the RX to the wanted QRSS/DFCW mode.
>>>> Anyway, i am providing both QRSS-60 and QRSS-120 for TA and EU, so
>>>> people may chosse what they like :-)
>>>>> Take a look at VE7TIL's excellent DCF39
>>>>> graph to see how short a good DX opening usually is - perhaps an hou=
r
>>>>> if you are lucky.
>>>> ...which wouldn't be enough for a (real) QSO in QRSS-60 but enough fo=
r
>>>> "FC" or "NM" or "NI" in QRSS-120.
>>>>> The very few who have had transatlantic QSOs have used QRSS30 or at
>>>>> most QRSS60. I am not aware of a successful two-way involving a
>>>>> longer dot length.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest that DX beacons and grabbers use a =3Dmaximum=3D of=
 60s
>>>>> dot length (though a second grabber screen could be provided for 120
>>>>> etc if desired). In my opinion this would be more likely to result=
 in
>>>>> useful propagation data.
>>>>>
>>>> Done.
>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike, G3XDV
>>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>>>>>
>>>> 73, Stefan
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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