Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.13]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME011-8ba04d090e5a284; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:52:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BA1AE38000181; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PSwRc-0007E6-OT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:51:20 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PSwRc-0007Dx-50 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:51:20 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSwRZ-00078s-LU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:51:20 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Am4GAOKcCE1Ok8RI/2dsb2JhbACCFoFNjhIDg1iGMgGIK3OyVJEIhFZ0BIFgjEs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,350,1288569600"; d="scan'208,217";a="324552295" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.196.72]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2010 18:51:11 +0000 Message-ID: <008901cb9c89$0a9bb3e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <2D9F1290-9246-4DFD-A0E6-D9D58DEF00AC@numeo.fr> <4D08A0AA.6040408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4D08C0DA.1030007@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8CD6A9D45929F4A-128-D8FB@webmail-d011.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:51:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: VLF - distances achjeved Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0086_01CB9C89.0A3E9FC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410d4d090e5848eb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01CB9C89.0A3E9FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But Markus How does anyone know that the faint trace was Stefan without an ID. I= wish everyone success but there is so much guesswork about. I need to= be convinced and no way would I claim any hits without a proper call= sign ID on a frequency. I saw a trace appear once and it was suggested by a VE7 station that= it was my neighbours toaster, but by conincidence iit came on and off= roughly at the same time as the DK carrier transmission. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: VLF - distances achjeved Hi John, weIl I think I can claim reception of my 90 uW ERP kite signal on 64= 70 Hz by Paul Nicholson on November 13: http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/mv101113a.gif Transmitter near Nuernberg at 49.3874 N 11.1692 E, receiver Todmorde= n 53.703N 2.072W, distance about 1034 km according to=20 http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong-vincenty.html. But on the other hand, it looks like on December 4th, 4X1RF saw at= least a very faint trace of Stefan on 6470 Hz as well. Best wishes, MArkus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Verschickt: Mi., 15. Dez. 2010, 14:21 Thema: Re: LF: VLF - distances achjeved Ah John,=20 Sorry, there is another bug: The QTH of the kite antenna is JN49IS36= VH, near Darmstadt. The Earth antenna is in Heidelberg, JN49IK67 I have changed the entries in the list below. 73, Stefan Am 15.12.2010 12:04, schrieb Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer:=20 Hi John, Am 15.12.2010 11:55, schrieb John Rabson:=20 I am writing a piece on VLF for the Cave Radio & Electronics Gro= up Journal and would like to include distance records. Can people ple= ase confirm that the following information is correct (or not)?=20 Above-ground antennas Hz ERP mW From To km=20 8970 58 Darmstadt Israel/Haifa 2873=20 6470 9 Darmstadt Poland/Warshaw 904=20 5170 5 Darmstadt Poland/Warshaw 904=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 The QTH of SQ5BPF is Washaw. The rest is correct. Earth current antennas Hz TX power W Electrode spacing m From To km=20 8970 250 600 Heidelberg Roschbach 49.6=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 I did successful tests to Roschbach just on 8970 Hz, not on 6470= and 5170. The distance is 49.6 km (since my earth antenna QTH is diff= erent to the kite antenna QTH). Thanks too. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Thank you.=20 John F5VLF ------=_NextPart_000_0086_01CB9C89.0A3E9FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
But Markus
How does anyone know that the faint= trace was=20 Stefan without an ID. I wish everyone success but there is so much gue= sswork=20 about. I need to be  convinced and no way would I claim any hits= without a=20 proper callsign ID on a frequency.
I saw a  trace appear once and= it was=20 suggested by a VE7 station that it was my neighbours toaster, but by= =20 conincidence iit came on and off roughly at the same time as the DK ca= rrier=20 transmission.
 
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 15,= 2010 6:30=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF - distan= ces=20 achjeved

Hi John,
 
weIl I think I can claim reception of my 90 uW ERP kite si= gnal on=20 6470 Hz by Paul Nicholson on November 13:
Transmitter near Nuernberg at 49.3874 N 11.1692 E, receiver Tod= morden=20 53.703N 2.072W, distance about 1034 km according to
 
But on the other hand, it looks like on December 4th, 4X1R= F saw=20 at least a very faint trace of Stefan on 6470 Hz as well.
 
Best wishes,
MArkus

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche=20 Mitteilung-----
Von: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
An:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Verschickt: Mi., 15. Dez. 2010,=20 14:21
Thema: Re: LF: VLF - distances achjeved

Ah John,= =20

Sorry, there is another bug: The QTH of the kite antenna is= JN49IS36VH, near Darmstadt.
The Earth antenna is= in=20 Heidelberg, JN49IK67

I have changed the entries in= the list=20 below.

73, Stefan

Am 15.12.2010 12:04, schrieb Stefan= Sch=C3=A4fer:=20
Hi John,

Am 15.12.2010 11:55, schri= eb John=20 Rabson:=20
I am writing a piece on VLF for the Cave= Radio=20 & Electronics Group Journal and would like to include distan= ce=20 records.  Can people please confirm that the following info= rmation is=20 correct (or not)?=20
=
Above-ground=20 antennas

Hz
ERP mW=
From
To
km
8970
58
Darmstadt
Israel/Haif= a
2873
6470
9
Darmstadt
Poland/Warshaw
904
5170
5
Darmstadt
Poland/Warshaw<= /FONT>
904





The QTH of SQ5BPF is=20 Washaw. The rest is correct.

Hz
TX power W
Electrode spa= cing=20 m
From
To
km
8970
250
600
Heidelberg
Roschbach
49.6
















I=20 did successful tests to Roschbach just on 8970 Hz, not on 6470 and= 5170. The=20 distance is 49.6 km (since my earth antenna QTH is different to th= e kite=20 antenna QTH).

Thanks too.

73, Stefan/DK7FC
Thank you.
John F5VLF

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