Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.26]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB012-a0784cf69d1f387; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:08:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1D424380000E5; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PNs1J-0004Pg-SR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:07:13 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PNs1J-0004PX-CV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:07:13 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PNs1H-0007YS-Jq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:07:13 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAN4r9kxcHY5i/2dsb2JhbACjHnHEHIVHBIFcjDQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,284,1288569600"; d="scan'208,217";a="314615801" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.142.98]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 01 Dec 2010 19:07:04 +0000 Message-ID: <008601cb918a$f10ee270$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <004201cb916a$6326d000$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4CF685CC.6030401@telus.net> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:07:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: QRS SPEED Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01CB918A.F0B8FA40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_EXPERIENCE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4cf69d1c6bf5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01CB918A.F0B8FA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Om Can you please produce evidence of your JA qso. I would like to see the Argo shots of your QSO ie Callsigns in both di= rections and reports exchanged. I can supply evidence of my DX QSO'S TA and normal CW QSO'S with Russi= an stations. I and others await this information de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Tilley=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:28 PM Subject: Re: LF: QRS SPEED Mal=20 What do you know... Answer, nothing useful to this discussion. You have no experience using long dot lengths or paths outside the= small confines of EU on LF where it's easy to preach your BS as it on= ly works because of the density of stations... Also your preaching about much power and huge vertical antennas is= not relevant. Once you reach a certain point say the 1W ERP limit we= are all equal. So the only multipliers left is integration and operat= or practice using long integration technologies. Alas, this is what burns you up as you have no skill in these areas= and when you try you end up working the neighbour's toaster oven as= your comical attempt to copy Stefan on 9KHz demonstrated... It's too bad you're the type of dog that can't be taught new tricks.= ..=20 So rather than waste BW on the reflector spend some time TRYING to= work some real DX at say the 12000km or 7100km range and then post so= me meaningful comments. You'll find that your worn bag of tricks won'= t work. 73 Scott =20 On 12/1/2010 3:14 PM, mal hamilton wrote:=20 LF/MF Like I have said many times before. QRS speeds of 3 or 10 are usua= lly sufficient and maybe 30 in extreme cases but speeds of 120, 240 an= d slower are not useful because of QSB and QRM hits breaking up the tr= ace and producing misleading results. in fact even faster CW is useful for an ID under poor or bad fadin= g conditions. Use as much power as possible and a good elevated antenna to over= come path fading and qrm. QRP signals are vy prone to QSB whereas the= QRO signals make it to DX destinations. Grabbers running at vy slow speeds are not useful de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01CB918A.F0B8FA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Om
Can you please produce evidence of yo= ur JA=20 qso.
I would like to see the Argo shots of= your QSO ie=20 Callsigns in both directions and reports exchanged.
I can supply evidence of my DX QSO'S= TA and normal=20 CW QSO'S with Russian stations.
I and others await this information
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sco= tt Tilley=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 01,= 2010 5:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QRS SPEED

Mal

What do you know... Answer, nothing usefu= l to this=20 discussion.

You have no experience using long dot lengths or= paths=20 outside the small confines of EU on LF where it's easy to preach you= r BS as it=20 only works because of the density of stations...

Also your pr= eaching=20 about much power and huge vertical antennas is not relevant. = Once you=20 reach a certain point say the 1W ERP limit we are all equal. So the= only=20 multipliers left is integration and operator practice using long int= egration=20 technologies.

Alas, this is what burns you up as you have no= skill in=20 these areas and when you try you end up working the neighbour's toas= ter oven=20 as your comical attempt to copy Stefan on 9KHz demonstrated...
It's too=20 bad you're the type of dog that can't be taught new tricks...
So=20 rather than waste BW on the reflector spend some time TRYING to work= some real=20 DX at say the 12000km or 7100km range and then post some meaningful= =20 comments.  You'll find that your worn bag of tricks won't work.=

73=20 Scott




 


On 12/1/2010 3:14 PM, ma= l hamilton=20 wrote:=20
LF/MF
Like I have said many times befor= e. QRS speeds=20 of 3 or 10 are usually sufficient and maybe 30 in extreme cases bu= t speeds=20 of 120, 240 and slower are not useful because of QSB and QRM hits= breaking=20 up the trace and producing misleading results.
in fact even faster CW is useful= for an ID=20 under poor or bad fading conditions.
Use as much power as possible and= a good=20 elevated antenna  to overcome path fading and qrm. QRP= signals are=20 vy prone to QSB whereas the QRO signals make it to DX=20 destinations.
Grabbers running at vy slow speed= s are not=20 useful
 
de mal/g3kev
 
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