Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dj09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dj09.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.145]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC013-864d4d1398351b7; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:43:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dj09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4F34338000098; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PVq75-0002RJ-FP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:42:07 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PVq73-0002RA-OZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:42:05 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PVq70-0004Cw-Kf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:42:05 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjQFAMYmE01OlrdD/2dsb2JhbACSDpIcc8EEghKDOASBYIxb X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,219,1291593600"; d="scan'208,217";a="330934786" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.183.67]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2010 18:41:55 +0000 Message-ID: <003201cba2d1$122154f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4D122CE9.26517.19CC01F@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <776F8577325D4C4881D6DFA12096E0D3@AGB> <9D05D302A950415DAFE5C853AFBDB7B7@AGB> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:41:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Full ID Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01CBA2D1.11B3C610" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039cdbc9d0e4d13983200ae X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01CBA2D1.11B3C610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been active on 5 Mcs since it started some years ago and have= no need for any Beacons although there is one active but I do not use= it, but it sends the full callsign and has a proper licence to operat= e. I can tell immediately when I switch to the band what propagation is= like by listening to what is going on world wide and proceed accordin= gly to word DX or have a local QSO on either CW or SSB g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Full ID That's true .. but worked nicely on 5 megs .. and the plots = on 500 showed what could be done with a short pulse and some= good software .. With the extreme qsb on LF , most of the long pulse beacon , oop= 's sorry CW . transmissions are lost anyway as can be seen by the= new level of - did you - did I - could it - was it - no or ok= - ... traffic on the reflector .. =20 What could be better than a system that could give a real pos= itive ID on, say only 1 10 second tx pulse ,=20 Maybe should be re-named the - Small Green Beacon - project as= the low TX power levels will reduce the polar ice cap erosion= ? Some words on the idea=20 http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project Feb 4 2008=20 http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/multi-function-beacon-by= -andy-g4jnt From: STEVE MCDONALD=20 Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 5:42 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: Full ID >where stations simply ...transmitted a long =20 > pulse ... monitoring software then simply =20 > looked in the slots gad...the only thing worse than single-letter ID's is no ID at all.= =20 This still does not address the problem of LFers who choose not to= be on the reflectors as well as newcomers and casual tuners, wonderin= g who the heck they are seeing. Steve / VE7SL ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01CBA2D1.11B3C610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been active on 5 Mcs since it= started some=20 years ago and have no need for any Beacons although there is one activ= e but I do=20 not use it, but it sends the full callsign and has a proper licence to= =20 operate.
I can tell immediately when I switch= to the band=20 what propagation is like by listening to what is going on world wide= and proceed=20 accordingly to word DX or have a local QSO on either CW or SSB<= /DIV>
g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Thursday, December 23,= 2010 6:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Full ID<= /DIV>

That's  true .. but worked&nbs= p;=20 nicely  on 5  megs  .. and the  plots  on&n= bsp;=20 500  showed  what  could be  done with a = short =20 pulse and  some good  software ..
 
With the  extreme  qsb on= LF  ,=20 most of the  long pulse beacon , oop's  sorry  CW .= =20 transmissions are lost anyway as can  be seen  by  th= e=20 new  level  of - did  you  - did I - could it&nb= sp;=20 -  was it  - no or  ok -   ... traffic on= the =20 reflector .. 
 
What  could be better  th= an  a=20 system that  could  give a  real  positive ID &n= bsp; on,=20 say  only  1  10 second  tx pulse ,
 
Maybe  should be re-named the&= nbsp;  -=20 Small  Green Beacon -  project as the  low   TX= =20 power  levels  will  reduce the  polar ice cap&n= bsp;=20 erosion ?
 
Some  words  on the = idea=20
 
 
Feb 4 2008
 
http://groups.google.c= om/group/uk500khz/web/multi-function-beacon-by-andy-g4jnt
 

Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Full ID



>where  stations simply ...transmitted a = long =20
> pulse ... monitoring  software  then simply =
>=20 looked in the  slots
 
gad...the only thing worse than single-letter ID's is no ID at= all.=20
 
This still does not address the problem of LFers who choose not= to be on=20 the reflectors as well as newcomers and casual tuners, wondering who= the heck=20 they are seeing.
 
Steve / VE7SL
 
 


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