Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mp06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mp06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.193.74]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB041-85f04ce581c1b0; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:42:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5C279380006FD; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PJALo-0002AG-Es for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:40:56 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PJALn-0002A7-Kx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:40:55 +0000 Received: from mail-gy0-f171.google.com ([209.85.160.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PJALk-000074-Mu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:40:55 +0000 Received: by gyd12 with SMTP id 12so2154071gyd.16 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:40:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=i2Clm+cC4uTVz4fn6KiHjCe1XzIBhWzx/SMbHT8IxEU=; b=VC1xQE9UfpksU9ki6Uvim4FfGLIvCe0DE8V9YuazA1vGZTY0rDerJ7olk5OAoKvDSd efYugtxbFSJ4ILQG40jZSQGyvejSN8Xya0tR8lxMPWIV1Zvsf5diGTSmt3yAiU53DQAs ePj13cjfzcZSJ9rT7oQBBqeMPfzLY1muz/a8A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=pO8W+Si3EIUA4ed6oMPWA+zsTRqoLQmGI09uoege52n+zXIy32/jHyaTkkCN5zASeT nMt1AI0/9hbzmvgmt4B6czn0cBBZK6z0qUogW/ZRxMSb7d6XBAadGTLBx+avylazhapy LF+w+2s2IBpskh8Ai6ppsjtzuMI21d28+/n0g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.58.13 with SMTP id g13mr773344ana.120.1290109245273; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.71.15 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:40:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <000901cb874d$fadd74c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <003101cb85c2$18578690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <001101cb8700$51477b60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4CE519A6.50302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <393256.83429.qm@web111919.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000901cb874d$fadd74c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:40:45 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8_UK16tl_DFIe48HWOd9gx5h9wo Message-ID: From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: EX LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e646530c4936b7049558f7c5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m262.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc14a4ce581bf3614 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e646530c4936b7049558f7c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal, Yes he has started about 1545utc but nothing seen here. You can check his transmissions on his grabber at :- http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. On 18 November 2010 18:25, mal hamilton wrote: > Gary > Has he started yet? > g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Gary - G4WGT > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:59 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: EX LF > > Stefan, LF, > > For the reasons you have stated Stefan, I will give it my best attention= & > effort. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > On 18 November 2010 12:41, Daniele Tincani wro= te: > >> Stefan, >> >> "Each (personal, not relative to others!) record on that band or recept= ion >> at all is a great feeling and tastes like the perfect combination of >> nostalgic radio and modern reception technics :-)" >> >> I fully agree. Even as a simple listener, I like LF and VLF very much= for >> the same reasons :-) >> >> Regards >> D. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer >> >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Sent:* Thu, November 18, 2010 1:18:46 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: LF: EX LF >> >> Hi Gary, >> >> Am 18.11.2010 12:13, schrieb Gary - G4WGT: >> > Got to agree that the uk limit is not good news for 9kHz but I won't= be >> trying to fly a kite anyway >> >> But my signal was detected in UK by Paul Nicholson and M0BMU as i used= a >> 100m kite in March, 15th. My TX power was about 250 W and the mode DFCW= -600. >> >> Well, if someone can built such a coil and have a better earth connecti= on >> (than me in /p) and generates a stable carrier in DFCW-6000, this may= be >> detected here in Germany as well! We have no stress, so it doesn't matt= er if >> it is DFCW-60 or DFCW-6000. >> A QSO may just be possible with fixed antennas. You know, even with >= 500W >> and a 200m vertical, my signal was not detected in CW in 40km distance.= But >> DFCW-3 would have been possible! >> >> The challenge on VLF is just higher and the limits harder. Anyway it is= a >> great feeling to make some distance. On 20m you can buy a TRX, throw so= me >> wire out in the garden and work VK in the morning. On LF you have to in= stall >> a large antenna, build your own equipment, care about the losses and us= e >> slow modes. The limits may be 1000km, depending on the station. But a= 1000km >> QSO is a much better feeling than on 20m, isn't it? And not only the >> distance is an issue but also all the surrounding communication and pro= cess >> (like beeing in the field or in the forest/nature!). Thus, the effort= is >> always worth. On VLF, a 100km reception (e.g. DF6NMs kite transmission= out >> of 180 km distance, last sunday) is even much more special and exciting= . >> Each (personal, not relative to others!) record on that band or recepti= on at >> all is a great feeling and tastes like the perfect combination of nosta= lgic >> radio and modern reception technics :-) Dreaming! :-) >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> >> > --0016e646530c4936b7049558f7c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal,

Yes he has started about 1545utc but nothing se= en here.

You can check his transmissions on his= grabber at :-


Cheers, Gary - G4WGT.

=

On 18 November 2010 18:25, mal hami= lton <g3kevm= al@talktalk.net> wrote:
Gary
Has he started yet?
g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary -=20 G4WGT
<= b>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:59=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: EX LF

Stefan, LF,

For the reasons you have stated Stefan, I will give it my best atte= ntion=20 & effort.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.


On 18 November 2010 12:41, Daniele Tincani <danieletincani@yahoo.com>=20 wrote:
Stefan,

"Each (personal, not relative to others!) record on that= band or=20 reception at all is a great feeling and tastes like the perfect combin= ation=20 of nostalgic radio and modern reception technics :-)"
=A0
I fully agree. Even as a simple listener, I like LF and VLF very= much=20 for the same reasons :-)
=A0
Regards
D.

From: Stefan Sch=E4fer= <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:18:46 PM

Subject: Re:= =20 LF: EX LF

Hi Gary,

Am 18.11.2010 12:13, schrieb Gary -=20 G4WGT:
> Got to agree that the uk limit is not good news for 9kH= z but=20 I won't be trying to fly a kite anyway

But my signal was de= tected in=20 UK by Paul Nicholson and M0BMU as i used a 100m kite in March, 15th.= My TX=20 power was about 250 W and the mode DFCW-600.

Well, if someone= can=20 built such a coil and have a better earth connection (than me in /p)= and=20 generates a stable carrier in DFCW-6000, this may be detected here in= =20 Germany as well! We have no stress, so it doesn't matter if it is= DFCW-60 or=20 DFCW-6000.
A QSO may just be possible with fixed antennas. You know= , even=20 with > 500W and a 200m vertical, my signal was not detected in CW= in 40km=20 distance. But DFCW-3 would have been possible!

The challenge on= VLF=20 is just higher and the limits harder. Anyway it is a great feeling to= make=20 some distance. On 20m you can buy a TRX, throw some wire out in the ga= rden=20 and work VK in the morning. On LF you have to install a large antenna,= build=20 your own equipment, care about the losses and use slow modes. The limi= ts may=20 be 1000km, depending on the station. But a 1000km QSO is a much better= =20 feeling than on 20m, isn't it? And not only the distance is an iss= ue but=20 also all the surrounding communication and process (like beeing in the= field=20 or in the forest/nature!). Thus, the effort is always worth. On VLF,= a 100km=20 reception (e.g. DF6NMs kite transmission out of 180 km distance, last= =20 sunday) is even much more special and exciting. Each (personal, not re= lative=20 to others!) record on that band or reception at all is a great feeling= and=20 tastes like the perfect combination of nostalgic radio and modern rece= ption=20 technics :-) Dreaming! :-)

73,=20 Stefan




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