Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mi01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mi01.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-di06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDI061-eaca4ce531ca1fa; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:01:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mi01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 940153800004F; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:01:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PJ51k-0001CR-3o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:59:52 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PJ51j-0001CI-AK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:59:51 +0000 Received: from mail-gy0-f171.google.com ([209.85.160.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PJ51h-0006Ni-4l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:59:51 +0000 Received: by gyd12 with SMTP id 12so1840307gyd.16 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 05:59:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=/tebtzLsNrZWQs9Uq8VWvDi40w7Z0ZL7kxwLp+WY2bI=; b=wh4Zd9l+95WSH/ftJ3CRRed1zXVMwHd8NlaNiIfQBLtOtrOK239hVVlIpiy6gVrZEH IXeNXMapRukcFc/digYeFKn1itD4mcVJG7UR2pWvWl+yepqSD5BH+fqfPdbyKrxXURdp eF3SQSaawLZQNXXqnQjRRq/fISm3AdAS3rRmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=UxLWaxXYNP0BFuQ0TfMCvxY6Qcdj4csw3SgsYLUc52aUGLhh2xcfbqG4xLXqQh1r3I r5OWQKvmHohbmp0iciig9GBYJ9Q9AMuYR/RMHM+9Fdqybbzlfx+u3bWOTytnRYUVWgLH fGfnbKcYkY0e9KO9u9gRIgxUZ1d8War3J6Qyk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.255.8 with SMTP id c8mr525622ani.154.1290088782719; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 05:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.71.15 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 05:59:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <393256.83429.qm@web111919.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <003101cb85c2$18578690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <001101cb8700$51477b60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4CE519A6.50302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <393256.83429.qm@web111919.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:59:42 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: i4guG765UECDYNcGZSPt55UVJO4 Message-ID: From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: EX LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016368e1af19f69340495543308 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d290.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039400cdec94ce531c863ca X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016368e1af19f69340495543308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, LF, For the reasons you have stated Stefan, I will give it my best attention= & effort. 73, Gary - G4WGT. On 18 November 2010 12:41, Daniele Tincani wrot= e: > Stefan, > > "Each (personal, not relative to others!) record on that band or recepti= on > at all is a great feeling and tastes like the perfect combination of > nostalgic radio and modern reception technics :-)" > > I fully agree. Even as a simple listener, I like LF and VLF very much fo= r > the same reasons :-) > > Regards > D. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Thu, November 18, 2010 1:18:46 PM > > *Subject:* Re: LF: EX LF > > Hi Gary, > > Am 18.11.2010 12:13, schrieb Gary - G4WGT: > > Got to agree that the uk limit is not good news for 9kHz but I won't= be > trying to fly a kite anyway > > But my signal was detected in UK by Paul Nicholson and M0BMU as i used= a > 100m kite in March, 15th. My TX power was about 250 W and the mode DFCW-= 600. > > Well, if someone can built such a coil and have a better earth connectio= n > (than me in /p) and generates a stable carrier in DFCW-6000, this may be > detected here in Germany as well! We have no stress, so it doesn't matte= r if > it is DFCW-60 or DFCW-6000. > A QSO may just be possible with fixed antennas. You know, even with > 50= 0W > and a 200m vertical, my signal was not detected in CW in 40km distance.= But > DFCW-3 would have been possible! > > The challenge on VLF is just higher and the limits harder. Anyway it is= a > great feeling to make some distance. On 20m you can buy a TRX, throw som= e > wire out in the garden and work VK in the morning. On LF you have to ins= tall > a large antenna, build your own equipment, care about the losses and use > slow modes. The limits may be 1000km, depending on the station. But a 10= 00km > QSO is a much better feeling than on 20m, isn't it? And not only the > distance is an issue but also all the surrounding communication and proc= ess > (like beeing in the field or in the forest/nature!). Thus, the effort is > always worth. On VLF, a 100km reception (e.g. DF6NMs kite transmission= out > of 180 km distance, last sunday) is even much more special and exciting. > Each (personal, not relative to others!) record on that band or receptio= n at > all is a great feeling and tastes like the perfect combination of nostal= gic > radio and modern reception technics :-) Dreaming! :-) > > 73, Stefan > > > --0016368e1af19f69340495543308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, LF,

For the reasons you have stated Stefan, I= will give it my best attention & effort.

73,=

Gary - G4WGT.


On 18 November 2010 12:41, Daniele Tincani <danieletincani@yahoo.com> wrote:
=A0
"Each (personal, not relative to others!) record on that= band or reception at all is a great feeling and tastes like the perfect= combination of nostalgic radio and modern reception technics :-)"
=A0
I fully agree. Even as a simple listener, I like LF and VLF ver= y much for the same reasons :-)
=A0
Regards
D.
From: Stefan Sch=E4fer <= Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thu, November= 18, 2010 1:18:46 PM

Subject: Re: LF: EX LF

Hi Gary,

Am 18.11.2010 12:13, schrieb Gary - G4WGT:
> Got= to agree that the uk limit is not good news for 9kHz but I won't be= trying to fly a kite anyway

But my signal was detected in UK by Pa= ul Nicholson and M0BMU as i used a 100m kite in March, 15th. My TX power= was about 250 W and the mode DFCW-600.

Well, if someone can built such a coil and have a better earth connect= ion (than me in /p) and generates a stable carrier in DFCW-6000, this may= be detected here in Germany as well! We have no stress, so it doesn't= matter if it is DFCW-60 or DFCW-6000.
A QSO may just be possible with fixed antennas. You know, even with > 500W and= a 200m vertical, my signal was not detected in CW in 40km distance. But= DFCW-3 would have been possible!

The challenge on VLF is just high= er and the limits harder. Anyway it is a great feeling to make some distan= ce. On 20m you can buy a TRX, throw some wire out in the garden and work= VK in the morning. On LF you have to install a large antenna, build your= own equipment, care about the losses and use slow modes. The limits may= be 1000km, depending on the station. But a 1000km QSO is a much better fe= eling than on 20m, isn't it? And not only the distance is an issue but= also all the surrounding communication and process (like beeing in the fi= eld or in the forest/nature!). Thus, the effort is always worth. On VLF,= a 100km reception (e.g. DF6NMs kite transmission out of 180 km distance,= last sunday) is even much more special and exciting. Each (personal, not= relative to others!) record on that band or reception at all is a great feeling and tastes lik= e the perfect combination of nostalgic radio and modern reception technics= :-) Dreaming! :-)

73, Stefan



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