Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.207]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE013-5ea44ce50ad336a; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:15:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E3FCE380000F3; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PJ2Qv-00005m-6h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:13:41 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PJ2Qu-00005d-Iw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:13:40 +0000 Received: from mail-gw0-f43.google.com ([74.125.83.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PJ2Qs-0004ny-KU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:13:40 +0000 Received: by gwb17 with SMTP id 17so1788074gwb.16 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 03:13:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=agF17aJPa1P/BGU2JUW1fKzejOyV70KxDnF7f9tpT3Q=; b=Bhpqy5j4oK0RHMa1XE3vyuXdMQgHwdHXkOezCYFrnezXIBOWsyUGiqITgN+upR5C8S K5MaT+bCuLZSfnKrml9GSX+h4/WEj8XCqyoo1FIsBTLkyLVvoANHMd0obry/K1KYe+s4 i6W/DhYLwFrTxI/3TouisOwzNWtRGLnmHB6R8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=QeDNa8hBNHPGbYtbHexyFSrNTNWOOI0/wtggg6Ip1Bv8xbYlhrbaqGsiTQGbHvpQjS BiwwUkhvyi+NtKkIK51eKqj8ZXkIFoSa2u2haaGkL0zm3YPK+5cRLsbUuDVfZQ8maIVY K8yxpu4tcrrzOjEV8+mJQy0Pgup8xrZx3ZoFc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.58.13 with SMTP id g13mr392944ana.120.1290078811986; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 03:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.71.15 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 03:13:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <001101cb8700$51477b60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <003101cb85c2$18578690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <001101cb8700$51477b60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:13:31 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: sBv2un3tVh0edUGVYK_nU2aMxyo Message-ID: From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: EX LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e646530c521ae0049551e166 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m231.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cf4ce50ad114cd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e646530c521ae0049551e166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal & Chris, Yes, that's correct, Stefan did use his kite at 300m bt had to get special authorization for that height. Even at that height I did not see anything on SpecLab, still working to improve the Rx loop though. Got to agree that the uk limit is not good news for 9kHz but I won't be trying to fly a kite anyway. If my NoV is granted it will all be home based using anything that will go in my small garden, it should good fun trying. And the same for tethered balloons :- ************************************************ Balloons 163 (1) This article applies to or in relation to balloons within the United Kingdom. 14 April 2010 CAP 393 Air Navigation: The Order and the Regulations Section 1 Part 22 Page 4 (2) A balloon in captive or tethered flight must not be flown within 60 metres of any vessel, vehicle or structure except with the permission of the person in charge of any such vessel, vehicle or structure. (3) Except with the permission of the CAA: (a) a balloon in captive flight must not be flown within the aerodrome traffic zone of a notified aerodrome during the notified operating hours of that aerodrome; and (b) a balloon in captive or tethered flight must not be flown at a height measured to the top of the balloon of more than 60 metres above ground level. *********************************************************** Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. On 18 November 2010 09:09, mal hamilton wrote: > Hi Gary > If you cannot get your kite higher than 60 metres, 9 Kcs could be a damp > squib in the uk. Between 200 - 500 metres would be a more realistic height > for this band. > Did the German man say his kite was up at 300 metres ? > > de mal/g3kev > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Gary - G4WGT > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: EX LF > > Mal, > > You wrote :- > > >>>Kilroy says kites are banned in the Uk above 5 metres, 9 Kcs could be a > damp squib > g3kev > > Extract from CAA "AIR NAVIGATION: THE ORDER AND THE REGULATIONS" > > ***************************************************** > Gliders, kites and parascending parachutes > 164 (1) This article applies to gliders, kites and parascending parachutes > within the United > Kingdom. > (2) Except with the permission of the CAA: > (a) a glider or parascending parachute must not be launched by winch and > cable or > by ground tow to a height of more than 60 metres above ground level; > *(b) a kite must not be flown at a height of more than 30 metres above > ground level* > *within the aerodrome traffic zone of a notified aerodrome during the > notified* > *operating hours of that aerodrome;* > (*c) a kite must not be flown at a height of more than 60 metres above > ground level;* > and > (d) a parascending parachute must not be launched by winch and cable or by > ground > tow within the aerodrome traffic zone of a notified aerodrome during the > notified > operating hours of that aerodrome. > ***************************************************************** > > I think this answers the question. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > On 16 November 2010 19:11, mal hamilton wrote: > >> I am qrv on all HF bands and surprised to work so many ex LF ops, they >> have all left for bands where qso's are more plentiful on CW. >> Just worked HB9ASB Toni on 10 Mcs ex 137 kcs op, we had many cw qso's in >> the past. >> LF and MF vy quiet at present and 9 Kcs a dead duck especially in the >> UK. Does anyone intend to transmit with an antenna on 9 Kcs in theUK or is >> there anyone with a RX setup capable of hearing a cw or qrs signal? >> I have asked this question before but get no response!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kilroy >> says kites are banned in the Uk above 5 metres, 9 Kcs could be a damp squib >> g3kev >> >> >> >> > > --0016e646530c521ae0049551e166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal & Chris,

Yes, that's correct, Stefan= did use his kite at 300m bt had to get special authorization for that hei= ght. Even at that height I did not see anything on SpecLab, still working= to improve the Rx loop though.

Got to agree that the uk limit is not good news for 9k= Hz but I won't be trying to fly a kite anyway. If my NoV is granted it= will all be home based using anything that will go in my small garden, it= should good fun trying.

And the same for tethered balloons :-

************************************************
B= alloons
163
(1) This article applies to or in relation= to balloons within the United Kingdom.
14 April 2010
CAP 393 Air Navigation: The Order and the Reg= ulations
Section 1 Part 22 Page 4
(2) A balloon in cap= tive or tethered flight must not be flown within 60 metres of any
vessel, vehicle or structure except with the permission of the person in= charge of any
such vessel, vehicle or structure.
(3)= Except with the permission of the CAA:
(a) a balloon in captive= flight must not be flown within the aerodrome traffic zone of
a notified aerodrome during the notified operating hours of that aero= drome; and
(b) a balloon in captive or tethered flight must not= be flown at a height measured to
the top of the balloon of more= than 60 metres above ground level.
***********************************************************

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.
=


On 18 November 2010 09:09, mal ham= ilton <g3kev= mal@talktalk.net> wrote:
Hi Gary=A0=A0=A0
If you cannot get your kite higher th= an 60 metres,=20 9 Kcs could be a damp squib in the=A0 uk. Between 200 - 500 metres would= be=20 a=A0more realistic height for=A0this band.
Did the German man say his kite was= up at 300=20 metres=A0?
=A0
de mal/g3kev
=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary -=20 G4WGT
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010= 8:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: EX LF

Mal,

You wrote :-

>>>Kilroy says kites are= banned in the Uk above=A05=20 metres, 9 Kcs could be a damp squib
g3kev

Extract from CAA "AIR NAVIGATI= ON: THE ORDER AND=20 THE REGULATIONS"

*****************************************************
Gliders, kites and parascending parachutes
164 (1) This article applies to gliders, kites and parascending=20 parachutes within the United
Kingdom.
(2) Except with the permission of the CAA:
(a) a glider or parascending parachute must not be launched by winc= h and=20 cable or
by ground tow to a height of more than 60 metres above ground=20 level;
(b) a kite must not be flown at a height of more than 30 metr= es=20 above ground level
within the aerodrome traffic zone of a notified aerodrome dur= ing=20 the notified
operating hours of that aerodrome;
(c) a kite must not be flown at a height of more than 60 metr= es=20 above ground level;
and
(d) a parascending parachute must not be launched by winch and cabl= e or=20 by ground
tow within the aerodrome traffic zone of a notified aerodrome durin= g the=20 notified
operating hours of that aerodrome.
*****************************************************************

I think this answers the question.

Gary - G4WGT.


On 16 November 2010 19:11, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
I am qrv on all HF bands and surp= rised to work=20 so many ex LF ops, they have all left for bands where=A0=A0qso's= are=20 more plentiful on CW.
Just worked HB9ASB=A0Toni on=20 10=A0Mcs=A0ex 137 kcs op, we had many cw qso's in the=20 past.
=A0LF and MF vy quiet at present= and 9 Kcs a=20 dead duck especially in the UK. Does anyone intend to transmit with an= =20 antenna on 9 Kcs in theUK or is there anyone with a RX setup capable= of=20 hearing a cw or qrs signal?
I have asked this question before= but get no=20 response!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kilroy says kites are banned in the Uk above=A05= =20 metres, 9 Kcs could be a damp squib
g3kev
=A0
=A0
=A0


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