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For my original BT Voyager, and now a Home Hub:
I split the wiring at the master socket,  and used a single modified
microfilter - one of those supplied with the hub - to feed the telephone
circuits around the house.   That meant I did not need any additional
microfilters on each 'phone, and the ADSL was kept well away from the house
wiring.  The ADSL signal from the microfilter was taken straight to the
hub.
200 Watts of 500kHz did ocasionally cause a hiccup in traffic, but it soon
settled down during the transmission.    700 Watts of 137kHz didn't seem to
do anything, and a few tens of watts of 1.9MHz  also caused a brief hiccup,
but it quicky restored.

None of these caused any long term speed degradations, and I didn't try
ferrite rings.  The L/C filtering in the microfilter probably does a much
better job than these would, and it appears to be a properly designed
balanced 600 ohms Zo configuration with a cutoff ~ 50kHz.

I do live only 2km from the exchange, and get speeds ranging from a worst
case of 3MB/s in the evenings, right up to 10 - 12MB/s early mornings and
times when the local teenagers aren't downloading music and playing games
online.    The house was built in 1976, and although BT are out in the
locality at this very moment  installing fibre to the corner, still
conventional Cu to the exchange here.

Andy
www.g4jnt.com

On 29 November 2010 09:50, Dave Brown <tractorb@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

> A large common mode choke on the incoming line, just down stream towards
> the modem from the ETP (=NTE over there I guess) and again at the input to
> the modem did it for me. Using a single ADSL filter at the ETP and
> connecting the modem at that point, as opposed to the DIY 'filter per CPE
> outlet ' setup with the modem fed from a unknown configuration of extension
> wiring, will give better performance as well.
> 73
> Dave, ZL3FJ
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:13 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: Any ADSL2 BBand router / RF proof ?
>
>
> Hello Everyone.
> I think you will find that with your line length from the serving exchange
>  (7km)?  the S/N ratio will be poor, a minimum of 10dB is required, my
> copper connection is about 2.7km which is considered to be approaching the
> limit, although the tests at the customer NTE showed that 3Mbt/s.should have
> been possible. At these line lengths any rf will swamp the DSL signal. I
> have discussed this problem at length several time with the people I worked
> with at Adastral Park ( commonly known as BT Labs), both DSL and EMC, the
> problem is compounded if a) you have a long length of overhead drop wire, b)
> the number and configuration of any internal extensions, and c) the position
> of the router with respect to the incomming NTE (master socket). If the
> dropwire is long, the induced common mode interference will be transformed
> into differential mode before it reaches the router, any internal extension
> wiring will increase attenuation, especially if it is a 'star configuration.
> The router should be as close as possible to the incoming NTE. A spectral
> analysis of my line revealed that there were no DSL carriers above 500kHz,
> hence not being able to use 500kHz, if the router shuts down because a
> corrupted incoming signal, it will start a 're-training' sequence with the
> DSLAM in the serving exchange, however if either the line or the router is
> changed, the exchange equipment will then go though a process of determining
> the best possible data speed of the new configuration, thia can take up to
> ten days, if during this time any of the speedtest sites are used different
> data rates will be loged.
>
> I changed my 1st generation BT Homehub router for an older BT Voyager 2500,
>  which improved the situation with the HF bands but not at 500kHz, even with
> high value common mode chokes on everything in sight. The problem was
> finally solved by changing over to BT Infinity Fibre To The Cabinet (FTTC)
> with copper line length of 400m giving data speeds of 14Mbt/s.
>
> I hope some of this is both of use and interest you all.
>
> 73
> Ken
> M0KHW
>  ----- Original Message -----  From: M0FMT
>  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>  Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:08 AM
>  Subject: Re: LF: Any ADSL2 BBand router / RF proof ?
>
>
>       Hi Again Graham and LF
>
>       Hmmmmm OK looks like you are in better shape than me. A local station
> who has difficulty with his ADSL has put Ferrite clamp on filters on all
> leads in and out of the Modem including the power supply lead. He claims
> (and I have no reason to doubt him) that this has solved his problems. The
> modem is the new BT Black Box one. I have one of those although much more
> reliable and faster it still suffers from my description below. The issue I
> have appears not to be Modem related but exchange based.
>
>       I talk to Larry regularly on 4m so next time, if I remember, I will
> get the details of his solution Viz ferrite type and where on the lines he
> is fitting them and forward it to you. It may help.
>       As before good luck with your efforts; what ever success you get
> please publish it. Ken M0KHW Luton has an ADSL problem too so several people
> would be interested I am sure.
>
>       73 es GL petefmt
>
>       I support www.NotSpotTelecom.Com <http://www.notspottelecom.com/>your community Telco / ISP.
>
>       --- On Fri, 26/11/10, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>         From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>         Subject: Re: LF: Any ADSL2 BBand router / RF proof ?
>         To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>         Date: Friday, 26 November, 2010, 0:49
>
>
>         Ok Pete
>
>         This is the new  router , as its  in the  same place as the old one
> , with (now) the  same  filters , the  PC is  linked with a short network
>  cable , the  rest of the  pc's are  linked by radio. its the  adsl  like
> thats  failing
>
>         The edimax   router was  quite  robust , never had a drop out on HF
> and only  over 200  watts  , feed , on 500  would stop  the link , this one
>  fails  with  25  watts  on 160  .. the  router  is off  most of the  day
>  and  night  , only  on  with the  pc , the  new router  is faster  , from 6
> (old)  meg to 9 med  down  and  500k (old) to  890 k upload , but  if it
>  keeps  dropping  out  with no  cure then  its not  much  use for  my usage
>
>         G,
>
>
>         From: M0FMT
>         Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 12:26 AM
>         To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>         Subject: Re: LF: Any ADSL2 BBand router / RF proof ?
>
>
>                     Hi Graham
>
>                     Are you sure the problem is the router?
>
>                     136, 500, 160 and to some extent 80m here are kill the
> ADSL. Even at very low powers. If your ADSL is cut during your transmissions
> only and resumes at the original speed directly afterwards it may well be
> the router being temporarily being knocked out. If however you line stays
> down for a period of time say several hours then it is not the router. What
> you are doing is putting noise (owing to RF) onto your line which is being
> picked up at the exchange DSLAM. The exchange equipment (DSLAM) serving your
> line will reduce data speed to ensure that a connection of sorts is
> maintained. This speed can go down to below 80kb/s from which it will not
> recover without technical intervention by BT Open Reach. If it goes down to
> about 300/500kb/s it may well recover it's original speed over a period of
> time BT quote 72 hours yes 72 hours (I think this time period is not a
> technical issue but one to stall the punters off). On a good day the
> recovery period can be speeded up by turning the router off and
> disconnecting every thing from the line and waiting. This makes a quiet line
> for the automatic recovery to work.... on a good day!!! If you don't have
> enough life left to wait for BT to physically do some thing then the best
> thing is to write to BT HQ in London to the their CEO (his name and location
> can be found with a bit of research) and tell him what you think of his
> outfit. I know from experience he does not like receiving this kind of
> letter. You may have your ISP as Joe Blogs Internet Provider dot Com but in
> reality it is all provided by BT they own the final mile and the exchange
> ...... legal niceties to one side it is a fact.
>                     If you get a good Broad Band data rate of say 4/8mb/s
> your transmissions on LF/MF will only slightly degrade your ADSL but if like
> me on the end of 7.5km of copper its only 1/1.5mb/s on a very good day, RF
> will wipe out your ADSL for a week or more. So without a lot of letter
> writing to BT and angry phone calls your ASDL will not return to original
> speed..
>
>                     To maintain a usable data rate on Broad Band here I can
> not use 136 or 500kc/s above a few Milli Watts at TX output about 1 Watt on
> 160m 80 about 50Watts and on 60m and above 100Watts (possibly more but not
> tested yet). Also the longer you stay on the worst the speed degrades.My
> guess is with ADSL2 having a much wider bandwidth the problem for Amateurs
> will extend further up the spectrum than shown above.
>
>                     Hope you are not in my situation....... Oh and don't
> believe all this Fibre stuff. Open Reach have told me that one reason why
> Fibre is not being rolled out like the Virgin setup is that there are only a
> few BT people capable of working with Fibre. This is the reason why BT is
> Wedded to copper wire. So we locally have Internet breakdowns owing to
> Junkies and the like ripping the Copper cables out of BT ducting to pay for
> drugs... Bedfordshire has had Internet disconnections for days owing to this
> phenomenon. So along with cable theft and the lack of trained staff a proper
> interference free Broad Band coverage using fibre in this country is looking
> particularly bleak.
>
>                     Good luck!
>
>                     73 es GL petefmt
>
>                     I support www.NotSpotTelecom.Com<http://www.notspottelecom.com/>your community Telco / ISP.
>
>                     --- On Thu, 25/11/10, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>                       From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>                       Subject: LF: Any ADSL2 BBand router / RF proof ?
>                       To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>                       Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 22:06
>
>
>                       Any  ADSL2  BBand router / RF proof ?
>
>                       Just upgraded to  ADSL2  with a  orange net-gear
> router/wifi  router, now   15  watts  on  160  kills  the connection
>
>                       router is in the  same location as  the old edimax ,
> which  kept running  with  200 watts  on 500 K  and  400 on Hf
>
>                       ? any  RF proof  ADSL2  on the  market >
>
>                       Tnx - G..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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<div>For my original BT Voyager, and now=A0a Home Hub:</div>
<div>I split the wiring at the master socket,=A0 and used a single modifie=
d microfilter - one of those supplied with the hub - to feed the=A0telepho=
ne circuits around the house.=A0=A0 That meant I did not need any addition=
al microfilters on each &#39;phone, and the ADSL was kept well away from=
 the house wiring.=A0 The ADSL signal from the microfilter was taken strai=
ght to the hub.=A0=A0=A0 </div>

<div>200 Watts of 500kHz did ocasionally cause a hiccup in traffic, but it=
 soon settled down during the transmission.=A0=A0=A0 700 Watts of 137kHz=
 didn&#39;t seem to do anything, and a few tens of watts of 1.9MHz=A0 also=
 caused a brief hiccup, but it quicky restored.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>None of these caused any long term speed degradations, and I didn&#39=
;t try ferrite rings.=A0=A0The L/C filtering in the microfilter probably=
 does a much better job than=A0these would, and it appears to be a properl=
y designed balanced 600 ohms Zo configuration with a cutoff ~ 50kHz.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>I do live only 2km from the exchange, and get speeds ranging from a=
 worst case of 3MB/s in the evenings, right up to 10 - 12MB/s early mornin=
gs and times when the local=A0teenagers aren&#39;t downloading music and=
 playing games online.=A0=A0=A0 The house was built in 1976, and although=
 BT are out in the locality=A0at this very moment =A0installing fibre to=
 the corner,=A0still conventional Cu to the exchange here.<br>
<br>Andy</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.g4jnt.com/">www.g4jnt.com</a></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 29 November 2010 09:50, Dave Brown <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tractorb@ihug.co.nz">tractorb@ihug.co.nz</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">A large common mode choke on=
 the incoming line, just down stream towards the modem from the ETP (=3DNT=
E over there I guess) and again at the input to the modem did it for me.=
 Using a single ADSL filter at the ETP and connecting the modem at that po=
int, as opposed to the DIY &#39;filter per CPE outlet &#39; setup with the=
 modem fed from a unknown configuration of extension wiring, will give bet=
ter performance as well.<br>
73<br>Dave, ZL3FJ<br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: &quot;Ken&=
quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ken.h.wright@btinternet.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>ken.h.wright@btinternet.com</a>&gt;<br>To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>&g=
t;<br>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:13 AM<br>Subject: Re: LF: Any ADSL2 BBan=
d router / RF proof ?<br><br><br>Hello Everyone.<br>I think you will find=
 that with your line length from the serving exchange =A0(7km)? =A0the S/N=
 ratio will be poor, a minimum of 10dB is required, my copper connection=
 is about 2.7km which is considered to be approaching the limit, although=
 the tests at the customer NTE showed that 3Mbt/s.should have been possibl=
e. At these line lengths any rf will swamp the DSL signal. I have discusse=
d this problem at length several time with the people I worked with at Ada=
stral Park ( commonly known as BT Labs), both DSL and EMC, the problem is=
 compounded if a) you have a long length of overhead drop wire, b) the num=
ber and configuration of any internal extensions, and c) the position of=
 the router with respect to the incomming NTE (master socket). If the drop=
wire is long, the induced common mode interference will be transformed int=
o differential mode before it reaches the router, any internal extension=
 wiring will increase attenuation, especially if it is a &#39;star configu=
ration.<br>
The router should be as close as possible to the incoming NTE. A spectral=
 analysis of my line revealed that there were no DSL carriers above 500kHz=
, hence not being able to use 500kHz, if the router shuts down because a=
 corrupted incoming signal, it will start a &#39;re-training&#39; sequence=
 with the DSLAM in the serving exchange, however if either the line or the=
 router is changed, the exchange equipment will then go though a process=
 of determining the best possible data speed of the new configuration, thi=
a can take up to ten days, if during this time any of the speedtest sites=
 are used different data rates will be loged.<br>
<br>I changed my 1st generation BT Homehub router for an older BT Voyager=
 2500, =A0which improved the situation with the HF bands but not at 500kHz=
, even with high value common mode chokes on everything in sight. The prob=
lem was finally solved by changing over to BT Infinity Fibre To The Cabine=
t (FTTC) with copper line length of 400m giving data speeds of 14Mbt/s.<br=
>
<br>I hope some of this is both of use and interest you all.<br><br>73<br>=
Ken<br>M0KHW<br>=A0----- Original Message ----- =A0From: M0FMT<br>=A0To:=
 <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank">rsgb_lf=
_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
=A0Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:08 AM<br>=A0Subject: Re: LF: Any ADS=
L2 BBand router / RF proof ?<br><br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 Hi Again Graham and LF=
<br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 Hmmmmm OK looks like you are in better shape than me.=
 A local station who has difficulty with his ADSL has put Ferrite clamp on=
 filters on all leads in and out of the Modem including the power supply=
 lead. He claims (and I have no reason to doubt him) that this has solved=
 his problems. The modem is the new BT Black Box one. I have one of those=
 although much more reliable and faster it still suffers from my descripti=
on below. The issue I have appears not to be Modem related but exchange ba=
sed.<br>
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 I talk to Larry regularly on 4m so next time, if I remembe=
r, I will get the details of his solution Viz ferrite type and where on th=
e lines he is fitting them and forward it to you. It may help.<br>=A0 =A0=
 =A0 As before good luck with your efforts; what ever success you get plea=
se publish it. Ken M0KHW Luton has an ADSL problem too so several people=
 would be interested I am sure.<br>
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 73 es GL petefmt<br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 I support <a href=3D"h=
ttp://www.notspottelecom.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.NotSpotTelecom.Com</a=
> your community Telco / ISP.<br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Fri, 26/11/10, Gra=
ham &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">g8fzk=
@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 From: Graham &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsn=
et.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk</a>&gt;<br>=A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 Subject: Re: LF: Any ADSL2 BBand router / RF proof ?<br>=A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 To: <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Date: Friday, 26 November, 2010, 0:49<br><br><br>=A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 Ok Pete<br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 This is the new =A0router , as its=
 =A0in the =A0same place as the old one , with (now) the =A0same =A0filter=
s , the =A0PC is =A0linked with a short network =A0cable , the =A0rest of=
 the =A0pc&#39;s are =A0linked by radio. its the =A0adsl =A0like thats =A0=
failing<br>
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 The edimax =A0 router was =A0quite =A0robust , never=
 had a drop out on HF and only =A0over 200 =A0watts =A0, feed , on 500 =A0=
would stop =A0the link , this one =A0fails =A0with =A025 =A0watts =A0on 16=
0 =A0.. the =A0router =A0is off =A0most of the =A0day =A0and =A0night =A0,=
 only =A0on =A0with the =A0pc , the =A0new router =A0is faster =A0, from=
 6 (old) =A0meg to 9 med =A0down =A0and =A0500k (old) to =A0890 k upload=
 , but =A0if it =A0keeps =A0dropping =A0out =A0with no =A0cure then =A0its=
 not =A0much =A0use for =A0my usage<br>
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 G,<br><br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 From: M0FMT<br>=A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 12:26 AM<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 To:=
 <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank">rsgb_lf=
_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Subject: Re: LF: Any ADSL2 BB=
and router / RF proof ?<br>
<br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hi Graham<br><br>=A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Are you sure the problem is the router?<b=
r><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 136, 500, 160 and to some ex=
tent 80m here are kill the ADSL. Even at very low powers. If your ADSL is=
 cut during your transmissions only and resumes at the original speed dire=
ctly afterwards it may well be the router being temporarily being knocked=
 out. If however you line stays down for a period of time say several hour=
s then it is not the router. What you are doing is putting noise (owing to=
 RF) onto your line which is being picked up at the exchange DSLAM. The ex=
change equipment (DSLAM) serving your line will reduce data speed to ensur=
e that a connection of sorts is maintained. This speed can go down to belo=
w 80kb/s from which it will not recover without technical intervention by=
 BT Open Reach. If it goes down to about 300/500kb/s it may well recover=
 it&#39;s original speed over a period of time BT quote 72 hours yes 72 ho=
urs (I think this time period is not a technical issue but one to stall th=
e punters off). On a good day the recovery period can be speeded up by tur=
ning the router off and disconnecting every thing from the line and waitin=
g. This makes a quiet line for the automatic recovery to work.... on a goo=
d day!!! If you don&#39;t have enough life left to wait for BT to physical=
ly do some thing then the best thing is to write to BT HQ in London to the=
 their CEO (his name and location can be found with a bit of research) and=
 tell him what you think of his outfit. I know from experience he does not=
 like receiving this kind of letter. You may have your ISP as Joe Blogs In=
ternet Provider dot Com but in reality it is all provided by BT they own=
 the final mile and the exchange ...... legal niceties to one side it is=
 a fact.<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 If you get a good Broad Band data=
 rate of say 4/8mb/s your transmissions on LF/MF will only slightly degrad=
e your ADSL but if like me on the end of 7.5km of copper its only 1/1.5mb/=
s on a very good day, RF will wipe out your ADSL for a week or more. So wi=
thout a lot of letter writing to BT and angry phone calls your ASDL will=
 not return to original speed..<br>
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 To maintain a usable data rate=
 on Broad Band here I can not use 136 or 500kc/s above a few Milli Watts=
 at TX output about 1 Watt on 160m 80 about 50Watts and on 60m and above=
 100Watts (possibly more but not tested yet). Also the longer you stay on=
 the worst the speed degrades.My guess is with ADSL2 having a much wider=
 bandwidth the problem for Amateurs will extend further up the spectrum th=
an shown above.<br>
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hope you are not in my situati=
on....... Oh and don&#39;t believe all this Fibre stuff. Open Reach have=
 told me that one reason why Fibre is not being rolled out like the Virgin=
 setup is that there are only a few BT people capable of working with Fibr=
e. This is the reason why BT is Wedded to copper wire. So we locally have=
 Internet breakdowns owing to Junkies and the like ripping the Copper cabl=
es out of BT ducting to pay for drugs... Bedfordshire has had Internet dis=
connections for days owing to this phenomenon. So along with cable theft=
 and the lack of trained staff a proper interference free Broad Band cover=
age using fibre in this country is looking particularly bleak.<br>
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Good luck!<br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 73 es GL petefmt<br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 I support <a href=3D"http://www.notspottelecom.com/"=
 target=3D"_blank">www.NotSpotTelecom.Com</a> your community Telco / ISP.<=
br>
<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Thu, 25/11/10, Graham=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">g8fzk@g8=
fzk.fsnet.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 From: Graham &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk"=
 target=3D"_blank">g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk</a>&gt;<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Subject: LF: Any ADSL2 BBand=
 router / RF proof ?<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 To: <a=
 href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank">rsgb_lf_gr=
oup@blacksheep.org</a><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Date=
: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 22:06<br>
<br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Any =A0ADSL2 =A0BBand=
 router / RF proof ?<br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Ju=
st upgraded to =A0ADSL2 =A0with a =A0orange net-gear =A0 router/wifi =A0ro=
uter, now =A0 15 =A0watts =A0on =A0160 =A0kills =A0the connection<br><br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 router is in the =A0same locat=
ion as =A0the old edimax , which =A0kept running =A0with =A0200 watts =A0o=
n 500 K =A0and =A0400 on Hf<br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 ? any =A0RF proof =A0ADSL2 =A0on the =A0market &gt;<br><br>=A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Tnx - G..<br>
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