Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.83]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF023-5ee84cd990e3118; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:20:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9533438023942; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PFrb1-0000fe-OK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:02:59 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PFrb1-0000fV-9h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:02:59 +0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PFrb0-0007iJ-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:02:59 +0000 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA9H2IiH027741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:02:18 +0100 Received: from [129.206.29.99] (pc99.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.99]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id oA9H2weO007520 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:02:58 +0100 Message-ID: <4CD97E22.40609@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 18:00:18 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <798586.46009.qm@web111901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEAA299A2084FACB780B4F9A675C31C@JimPC> <304036.93066.qm@web111919.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4CD83D22.50202@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <918071.9577.qm@web111903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4CD874CE.7050003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <113093.88150.qm@web111908.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4CD95487.1000206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <55010.75380.qm@web111919.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <55010.75380.qm@web111919.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Re: BBB-4-like receiver ready for first tests Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080808000509060002080806" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60534cd97f345e12 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------080808000509060002080806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele, Hmm, consider Alans ideas too. Maybe he is right about the generator. I am wondering too, why the maximum gain is at 2 kHz. Ehm, how does the Spectrum look if you connect the generator to the soundcard and try different loads? Is there a change, not just in the level? Am 09.11.2010 17:36, schrieb Daniele Tincani: > Hello Stefan, LF, VLF, > now next questions: :-) > 1) is the noise of the active antenna well below the typical band noise? Try it out and watch the levels! > 2) is the dynamic range large enough to manage the strongest hum > levels at my listening position? Try it out. It depends on your local situation. Here i am rather practical orientated. Nothing is easier than building up the antenna and hang it out of the window and see how the spectrum looks. Only here you will see if mains hum is an issue or not. If you change the location, say 4m up the house, the problems might be on the MSK side instead of the mains hum side. Maybe you can run your loop on one soundcard channel and the E field antenna on the other channel since you have a good stereo sound card. This makes it easy to compare the situation regarding mains hum and/or the diurnal noise level changes arround 9 kHz. Not sure if my tomorrows transmission is useful for you but it may be worth a try to compare those both antennas. You are in the best position for this antenna (if it acts like a loop) although the distance is pretty high. 73, gl, Stefan/DK7FC --------------080808000509060002080806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Daniele,

Hmm, consider Alans ideas too. Maybe he is right about the generator. I am wondering too, why the maximum gain is at 2 kHz.
Ehm, how does the Spectrum look if you connect the generator to the soundcard and try different loads? Is there a change, not just in the level?


Am 09.11.2010 17:36, schrieb Daniele Tincani:
Hello Stefan, LF, VLF,
 
now next questions: :-)
1) is the noise of the active antenna well below the typical band noise?
Try it out and watch the levels!
2) is the dynamic range large enough to manage the strongest hum levels at my listening position?
Try it out. It depends on your local situation.

Here i am rather practical orientated. Nothing is easier than building up the antenna and hang it out of the window and see how the spectrum looks. Only here you will see if mains hum is an issue or not. If you change the location, say 4m up the house, the problems might be on the MSK side instead of the mains hum side. Maybe you can run your loop on one soundcard channel and the E field antenna on the other channel since you have a good stereo sound card. This makes it easy to compare the situation regarding mains hum and/or the diurnal noise level changes arround 9 kHz.

Not sure if my tomorrows transmission is useful for you but it may be worth a try to compare those both antennas. You are in the best position for this antenna (if it acts like a loop) although the distance is pretty high.

73, gl, Stefan/DK7FC

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