Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.21]) by air-di06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDI061-eaca4cd134721fb; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 06:07:46 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B4E438000102; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 06:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PDaCx-00040Q-Ds for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 10:04:43 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PDaCw-00040H-NZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 10:04:42 +0000 Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.68]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PDaCw-0005dy-FM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 10:04:42 +0000 Received: from [77.238.189.48] by nm15.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2010 10:04:36 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.121] by tm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2010 10:04:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2010 10:04:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 582246.75633.bm@omp1030.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 18233 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Nov 2010 10:04:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1288778675; bh=wu7uWZTk5dEwcfyjSes9A0qLV5Zscv5kAwBMQyxd8mw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QlB3P/KhZGLdVGKvU8Z4AsGPw3GRxxI1pwIolFl59ocSo9U0HFjliw4C8S4r3bi9s+fRfM0+fiGVtx1MgEbP+EGKKHN8rGL3sK8h4/lwSawZsWPt19CIdXpT0TMQD+UXLjkPw4tnhVT+f9biCfcor9Dy3ovESS/siYxrXBuizGk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tUIRp9Hkx19FQB/sSUE631loKjQogkWpUsDcPGq++OT3LwV0kqgpxIdBQTEgfKv86byd8jXz1W7ICnfIkettx8QhKrDerWa0oC41gwKO31uPalQ5R8FsS9av9p/PLvO7hUAH8OOBDXliJgaBlv/d2j4ypY3wd10OEN2c3wNG0Cc=; Message-ID: <341424.18227.qm@web24706.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pcEYnTYVM1nz9.wlrMFWcY8KxBpN82Zt5YJjNwsCr9804eU d0J6LL7mkLstcTgggUF42gynzJ60a0o5q4msdQSKu6TXUKpJtr_8Jq6jTNWZ nJtxQyXFm1NCzFJ1.p9D1J51Rna7E1pcVCyBC7iGPYmFTvQI6_nUWZ3VS_bK X8JUQejNsL12mzZBfwSnMx4cfCHryRblDobTVN4En.IbY7HMU_CWHdlMbiH2 dDhR15QKhuElGWHAUBUPWv51qN1vmbmRV1vFsKTPV2ReYsz0XFFpRzaOoiR9 6Wc09M1rTcl3hiFql5y9xs0N31ypU0AMnr5qEsGm9T9Y- Received: from [213.78.182.231] by web24706.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 10:04:34 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.284920 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:04:34 +0000 (GMT) From: brian hodgson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20101101233708.02b5f67d@opc1> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: The Wideband Noise Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1015708127-1288778674=:18227" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d279.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154cd1346d4d1a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror --0-1015708127-1288778674=:18227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John -=20 =A0 I'm seeing a 5dB increase in the "noise floor" between 498 and 502 kHz but= only after dark (measurement taken at 2300 utc). =A0 Location is Watford (IO91TP). Receiver is Winrad Excalibur SDR. =A0 Brian (G3YKB) --- On Mon, 1/11/10, John P-G wrote: From: John P-G Subject: LF: The Wideband Noise To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 23:37 Hello, I've had some correspondence with John G3WKL and Colin G3PSM about the new "commercial" wideband data noise that occupies 498-502kHz It seems to be a test of an impending data system for marine use. Colin would like some information about where, and when, it can be heard or otherwise detected. It appears to be being driven by the French. Forthe record I can hear it here in Shetland. It faded up tonight at approx 1615 UTC and is audible and visible on a waterfall display. I haven't been in a position to DF it, but in the first instance Colin would like to gather some information about where it is being received. I can collate the information for him if anyone who is affected by, or can simply detect, this noise/data signal could give details either direct, or via the LF group. I know a lot of discussion has been had already, but a quick note now could be useful, as there is a meeting soon to discuss this, and other aspects of WRC2012. Cheers, John GM4SLV =20 --0-1015708127-1288778674=:18227 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi John -
 
I'm seeing a 5dB increase in the "noise floor" between 498 and 502 kH= z but only after dark (measurement taken at 2300 utc).
 
Location is Watford (IO91TP). Receiver is Winrad Excalibur SDR.
 
Brian (G3YKB)

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, John P-G <gm4slv@s= ighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:

From: John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.= uk>
Subject: LF: The Wideband Noise
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 23:37

Hello,

I've had some correspondence with Joh= n G3WKL and Colin G3PSM about the
new "commercial" wideband data noise= that occupies 498-502kHz

It seems to be a test of an impending dat= a system for marine use.

Colin would like some information about wh= ere, and when, it can be
heard or otherwise detected. It appears to be= being driven by the
French.

Forthe record I can hear it here in= Shetland. It faded up tonight at
approx 1615 UTC and is audible and vi= sible on a waterfall display.

I haven't been in a position to DF it= , but in the first instance Colin
would like to gather some information= about where it is being received.

I can collate the information fo= r him if anyone who is affected by, or
can simply detect, this noise/da= ta signal could give details either
direct, or via the LF group. I know= a lot of discussion has been had
already, but a quick note now could= be useful, as there is a meeting
soon to discuss this, and other aspects of WRC20= 12.

Cheers,

John
GM4SLV


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