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(VPS 101113-1, 13/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: QRM analysis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d228.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601b4cdf236418de X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Hi John what does it sound like?? I have seen pics similar to that on my waterfal by the audio load FMing the psu is a flatscreen TV. Becuae the mod you would decome is x 4 or so, you wont resognise it. What did was flip round the channels and correate the cadence of the noise with the TV sound. This is best dont with speech. I also found the pattern jumped usually at "half hours" I took this to indicate a channel change. It also drifted around as TV PSUs will. One noise source turned out to be self inflicted as a normally quiet PC drifted into the band.....it turned out the PSU fan had failed, the extra heat causing the switching frequency to drift up. Seeing Marco's message ....mmmmm yes my sidebands were 100Hz from those sources. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: LF: QRM analysis Please see attached screen print taken with Argo at 2010 Nov 13 1941z. The frequency marks across the top are relative to 136.0 kHz approx. The vertical bar is an artefact of the RX. The signal can occur at any time and drifts across the RX passband, with occasional jumps of a few hundred Hz. What software would people suggest for analysing it with a view to determing its cause and perhaps locating it? F5VLF