Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.93]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF011-8bc94ce406a03f; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:45:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6F95938000199; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PIl69-0005WS-0P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:43:05 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PIl68-0005WJ-Gz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:43:04 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PIl66-0007sQ-OL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:43:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AocDAB+V40xcB9xU/2dsb2JhbACQWIMyjkBywiSFSwSBXA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,212,1288569600"; d="scan'208,217";a="457343084" Received: from host-92-7-220-84.as43234.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.7.220.84]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2010 16:42:56 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01cb8676$7c430120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4CDEC5B8.17075.79A05A@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4CDF089E.4090604@gmx.de> <4CDFBCBE.5787.60D7DE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <2BE70532063C4C12A0E3AD8515E27D57@White> <002d01cb83f5$f4842c00$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <007301cb8405$5dc7a8e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4CE00B43.6070706@o2.ie> <20101116221102.02753be7@opc1> <4CE3BBB5.3050305@o2.ie> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:42:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Eu QRSS freq.... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CB8676.7BE61410" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,NO_COST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405d4ce4069e4b9e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CB8676.7BE61410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony I thought a NOV was also necessary for 137 Kcs, has that changed also I have been informed that the fees necessary for a 500 permit is paid= for by the national society and no cost to the individual amateur. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:25 AM Subject: Re: LF: Eu QRSS freq.... John. Thanks for your support and encouragement, plus you are not the only= one to appeal to me not to give up. Rest assured I haven't given up entirely, but I have certainly regai= ned a lot of my original enthusiasm thanks to people like you. I have the whole winter to build and experiment, which I will do, an= d hopefully get some RF airborne soon. It will be 137 KHz though as 500 KHz here in Ireland needs a NOV at= the moment and the main requirement to get one is experience of other= LF/MF bands (and it is also expensive in fees) and the lowest band I= regularly work is 10 metres. Thanks again Tony, EI8JK, IO51dn. On 16/11/2010 22:11, John GM4SLV wrote: Tony, Please reconsider trying again on MF. There is much scope for experimenting and everything you learn is personal to you. You don't have to stroke the ego of those who (think they) know everything and (think they) have done everything. I've recently been trying some real low power WSPR (milliwatt ERP over a range of almost 2000km), plus 100mW ERP to the USA as well as "prope= r" CW QSOs with OK/PA/G/SM/LA.=20 My antenna is 8m high, with 4 sloping guy wires as extra capacity. Very small, as these things go.=20 I draw my own conclusions from what I do, what succeeds and what doesn't. This is the point of experimenting. The purpose isn't really to have lots of QSOs and repeating ad-nauseum "it is ah-raining-not"= - it's to enjoy yourself, think of some new scheme/test/theory, try it out, think about the results and continue the process. Go on, give it a a go And as for wire - the copper kind works okay - hi! John GM4SLV Shetland Is ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CB8676.7BE61410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tony
I thought a NOV was also necessary fo= r 137 Kcs, has=20 that changed
also
I have been informed that the fees ne= cessary for a=20 500 permit is paid for by the national society and no cost to the indi= vidual=20 amateur.
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tony
Sent: Wednesday, November 17,= 2010 11:25=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Eu QRSS freq= ....

John.

Thanks for your support and encouragemen= t, plus=20 you are not the only one to appeal to me not to give up.
Rest ass= ured I=20 haven't given up entirely, but I have certainly regained a lo= t of my=20 original enthusiasm thanks to people like you.
I have the whole= winter to=20 build and experiment, which I will do, and hopefully get some RF air= borne=20 soon.

It will be 137 KHz though as 500 KHz here in Ireland ne= eds a NOV=20 at the moment and the main requirement to get one is experience of= other LF/MF=20 bands (and it is also expensive in fees) and the lowest band I regul= arly work=20 is 10 metres.

Thanks again
Tony, EI8JK, IO51dn.

On=20 16/11/2010 22:11, John GM4SLV wrote:
Tony, Please reconsider trying again on MF. There is much scope for experimenting and everything you learn is personal to you. You don't have to stroke the ego of those who (think they) know everything and (think they) have done everything. I've recently been trying some real low power WSPR (milliwatt ERP over a range of almost 2000km), plus 100mW ERP to the USA as well as "prope= r" CW QSOs with OK/PA/G/SM/LA.=20 My antenna is 8m high, with 4 sloping guy wires as extra capacity. Very small, as these things go.=20 I draw my own conclusions from what I do, what succeeds and what doesn't. This is the point of experimenting. The purpose isn't really to have lots of QSOs and repeating ad-nauseum "it is ah-raining-not"= - it's to enjoy yourself, think of some new scheme/test/theory, try it out, think about the results and continue the process. Go on, give it a a go And as for wire - the copper kind works okay - hi! John GM4SLV Shetland Is

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