Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.201]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA023-b4f54ccbc55f18; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 03:12:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EC0CC3800008C; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 03:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PC5a7-0002Z8-0S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:10:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PC5a6-0002Yz-D9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:10:26 +0100 Received: from 113-mo2-8.acn.waw.pl ([62.121.95.113] helo=paranoid.lipkowski.org) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PC5a4-0008Gu-OV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:10:26 +0100 Received: from paranoid.lipkowski.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id o9U7AMWm012927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:10:22 +0200 Received: from localhost (sq5bpf@localhost) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.6/Submit) with ESMTP id o9U7AMJM012924 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:10:22 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: paranoid.lipkowski.org: sq5bpf owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:10:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Jacek Lipkowski To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4CCB4663.2080500@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: References: <4CCAE624.3080402@legal-medicine.de> <4CCB4663.2080500@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score-sq5bpf: -2.601 () BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: vlf experiments-numerical considerations Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="17435139-1279473697-1288422621=:7134" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94ccbc55c5d34 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --17435139-1279473697-1288422621=:7134 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Sat, 30 Oct 2010, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > All very interesting, i cannot stop thinking about ;-) > Your plot_80km.png tells me that in 200 km distance (pretty close to=20 > DF6NM/DJ2LF/DK6NI/DJ6LB), 2500 Hz is the most suitable frequency. i'm not sure how the model performs "close" to the antenna, and at 2500Hz= =20 200km would be 1.6 wavelength :). you would really have to ask Piotr=20 SQ7MPJ, he has the theoretical background but from the graphs it would seem that for relatively "short" distances=20 there is a frequency that gives the best field strength, and that this=20 frequency increases with distance. for 904km this frequency is around 4kHz= =20 according to this model. > So, if i would use the 300m kite and switch a parallel capacitor to the= =20 > loading coil, 3x the C of the kite wire (about 5 nF/ 30 kV), i could res= onate=20 > on 2.5 kHz (crazy!). Although just 1/4 of the coils current would flow= into=20 > the wire (< 12 dB losses) my signal would be stronger in that region! Ah= , i=20 > have forgotten the lower radiation resistance of the 300m wire on this= =20 > frequency,ok... > > Oh dear, should we really try a 2.5 kHz test? yes! and a 4kHz test > Another idea: It would be most interesting in a test on the earth antenn= a=20 > since there is no need to resonate it and the earth losses are almost=20 > independent of frequency! If the frequency decreases, the skip depth (an= d so=20 > the effective loop area) increases. This might partly compensate the dec= rease=20 > of efficiency.Wow! I will prepare such a test for the next week! :-) please tell us what the frequencies will be. i have to make a bandpass=20 filter beforehand VY 73 Jacek / SQ5BPF --17435139-1279473697-1288422621=:7134--