Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.201]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME031-8ba84cc3fe4038f; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 05:37:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8C972380000D2; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 05:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1P9wzF-0007yX-SF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 10:35:33 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1P9wzF-0007yO-DZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 10:35:33 +0100 Received: from smtp09.online.nl ([194.134.42.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P9wzD-00041Z-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 10:35:33 +0100 Received: from smtp09.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F651E20F for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:35:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:35:25 +0200 (CEST) From: To: Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:35:23 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001f01cb735a$ac3beb50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp09.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94cc3fe3f0bef X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Mal, how are you so sure it's a PA0 station,any id? The radio spectrum is regulated from 9 KHz to (if I am correct) 300GHz.Maby some governments want to regulate outside these borders...Of course (lucky) the radiowaves don't stop at the English coast.I don't think most governments have very much interrest regulating below 9KHz,practical applicatians are rare and it's very difficult to radiate a signal at all,let alone intefere with some other service. If their is a dutch station active I would like to know who it is and listen for him,or here! 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens mal hamilton Verzonden: zondag 24 oktober 2010 11:06 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today Victor I have already heard a PA0 stn on 9 Kcs a couple of weeks ago, weak signal on slow CW and last nite when I got into the shack in the evening there was a stn testing carrier on/off for short periods, could be the same stn back agn. It seems strange in the UK a licence is needed for the audio spectrum whereas those EU countries a few miles away across the channel have a free hand. Maybe they think these radio waves stop at the English coast. The same thing happened some years back when CB was prohibited in the UK whereas it was permitted in most parts of EU. Its hard to work out the logic. The new UK government are de restricting many of the past regulations and maybe will look at Ofcom procedures although in EU there are also restrictive practices like no permits for 500 Kcs in most countries. de g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 9:07 AM Subject: RE: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today > Hello Alan, > > So under british regulations I did a lot of illegal experiments in the past > HI.I don't know how the dutch telecom office thinks about this but I have a > feeling they just don't want to be bothered with this kind of experiments.If > I had the room for decent antenna's I was already transmitting at 9 KHz! > > 73 > > Victor > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Alan Melia > Verzonden: zaterdag 23 oktober 2010 23:33 > Aan: RSGB LF Gp > Onderwerp: Re: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today > > > In theory, if you communicate, yes! They reserve the right to make the > decision to approve, and laser comms are under their "regulation" > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 9:09 AM > Subject: RE: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today > > > > So you need permission to switch on a light??? > > > > 73 > > > > Victor > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Alan Melia > > Verzonden: vrijdag 22 oktober 2010 22:14 > > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Onderwerp: Re: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today > > > > > > No a good idea Jacek Ofcoms regulatory powers do not end at 9kHz. They > have > > powers over radiation at any frequency. > > Alan G3NYK > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jacek Lipkowski" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:45 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today > > > > > > > On Fri, 22 Oct 2010, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > > > > > > > *Frequencies allowed:* 8.7kHz - 9.1kHz > > > > > > i wonder what would happen if you applied specifically for 8.0-8.990kHz > > > (no frequency >9kHz). is expanding the frequency range above 9kHz a > trick > > > by OFCOM, so that they can show that they have juristiction? > > > > > > VY 73 > > > > > > Jacek / SQ5BPF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >