Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.79]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDI074-eb654cb4b05567; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:00:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 66981380000A3; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1P5k3O-0000AT-HE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:58:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1P5k3N-0000AK-SZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:58:25 +0100 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P5k3L-00072x-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:58:25 +0100 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o9CIw09P023647 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:58:00 -0400 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id l.ed3.7e9681f (43888) for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.103]) by cia-dc05.mx.aol.com (v129.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC051-b2cd4cb4afac1aa; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:57:56 -0400 Received: from webmail-m021 (webmail-m021.sim.aol.com [64.12.183.102]) by smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME025-b2cd4cb4afac1aa; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:57:48 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:57:48 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32783-STANDARD Received: from 194.138.39.56 by webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com (64.12.183.102) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:57:48 -0400 Message-Id: <8CD38567F4B0C6A-1C1C-116D@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: VLF: Detections of 5 microwatt transmission Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CD38567F7AA812_1C1C_21F2_webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404f4cb4b0520c2f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ----------MB_8CD38567F7AA812_1C1C_21F2_webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear LF, for my VLF test transmissions on the last weekend (Oct 9: 8969.998 Hz, Oct= . 10: 8989.997 Hz), I have received reports from three receiving stations: - Walter DJ2LF near Erlangen (20.2 km) received the carrier again in good= quality, using 0.95 mHz resolution. Radiated power and received SNR were= quite similar to our two-way QSO on June 4th. - Stefan DK7FC in Heidelberg (178.5 km) reported about 10 dB SNR, and both= dashes are still visible in the QRN minima on his 47uHz grabber window=20 http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html This was the intended purpose of the experiment, and a nice counterpart to= the earlier detection of a 200 uW kite transmission on Aug 29th. Even tho= ugh both of us were locking the samplerate to a 10 kHz GPS-derived referen= ce, the dashes appeared about two pixels low - perhaps due to a very minut= e rounding error in SpecLab's frequency scale display. - To my utter surprise, Paul Nicholson (Todmorden, 1030.5 km) produced two= spectra, taken over the duration of the transmissions: http://abelian.org/vlf/df6nm/2010_10_09a.gif (9:50 - 18:00, 34 uHz) http://abelian.org/vlf/df6nm/2010_10_10a.gif (9:00 - 15:00, 46 uHz) After taking a deep breath, we now have to deal with the question whether= this is a significant positive detection. Except for a known central arti= fact on 8970, the highest peak appears in the correct frequency bin in bot= h spectra. Naively, one could then propose that the probability of this ha= ppening at random would simply be the inverse of the number of displayed= bins, ie. around 1:230 for Saturday and 1:170 for Sunday. Thus the combin= ed probability of a false positive detection on both days would seem to be= only 1 in 40000. Certainly there is a degree of arbitrariness in the choi= ce of the display range (8 mHz). Paul estimated that the signal was about 3 standard deviations on Saturday= (0.3% false detection rate), and 2 sigma in the higher noise on Sunday (5= %), giving a combined false positive probability of 1 in 6667. We can also look at the plausibility of the absolute fieldstrength of the= peaks (about 0.2 fT, equivalent to 0.06 uV/m). If I remember correctly,= Paul's first detection of Stefan's kite signal on March 15 was at about= 3 fT, and Stefan was then radiating approx. 1 mW EMRP. Scaling this down= to my estimated 5 uW EMRP, and taking another dB for the slightly higher= distance, would theoretically result in 24 dB less fieldstrength, or 0.19= fT - almost a perfect match. So by these lines, it would seem at least very likely that Paul has indeed= observed my feeble signal! We intend to do repeat the experiment in the= near future for additional confirmation. Very many thanks to all involved in this work! 73, Markus (DF6NM) ----------MB_8CD38567F7AA812_1C1C_21F2_webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

Dear LF,
 
for my VLF test transmissions on the last weekend (Oct 9: 8969.998 Hz= , Oct. 10: 8989.997 Hz), I have received reports from three receiving stat= ions:
 
- Walter DJ2LF near Erlangen (20.2 km) received the carrier again in= good quality, using 0.95 mHz resolution. Radiated power and received= SNR were quite similar to our two-way QSO on June 4th.
 
- Stefan DK7FC in Heidelberg (178.5 km) reported about 10 dB SNR, and= both dashes are still visible in the QRN minima on his 47uHz grabber wind= ow
 
 
This was the intended purpose of the experiment, and a nice= counterpart to the earlier detection of a 200 uW kite transmission on Aug= 29th. Even though both of us were locking the samplerate to a 10 kHz GPS-= derived reference, the dashes appeared about two pixels low - perhaps= due to a very minute rounding error in SpecLab's frequency scale display.=
 
- To my utter surprise, Paul Nicholson (Todmorden, 1030.5 km) pr= oduced two spectra, taken over the duration of the transmissions:
 
   http://abelian.org/vlf/df6nm/2010_10_09a.gif   (9:50 - 18:0= 0, 34 uHz)
   http= ://abelian.org/vlf/df6nm/2010_10_10a.gif   (9:00 - 15:00, 46= uHz)
 
After taking a deep breath, we now have to deal with the question whe= ther this is a significant positive detection. Except for a known central= artifact on 8970, the highest peak appears in the correct frequency bin= in both spectra. Naively, one could then propose that the probability of= this happening at random would simply be the inverse of the number of dis= played bins, ie. around 1:230 for Saturday and 1:170 for Sunday. Thus the= combined probability of a false positive detection on both days would see= m to be only 1 in 40000. Certainly there is a degree of arbitrariness in= the choice of the display range (8 mHz).
 
Paul estimated that the signal was about 3 standard deviations on Sat= urday (0.3% false detection rate), and 2 sigma in the higher noise on Sund= ay (5%), giving a combined false positive probability of 1 in 6667.
 
We can also look at the plausibility of the absolute fieldstrength of= the peaks (about 0.2 fT, equivalent to 0.06 uV/m). If I remember correctl= y, Paul's first detection of Stefan's kite signal on March 15 was at about= 3 fT, and Stefan was then radiating approx. 1 mW EMRP. Scaling this down= to my estimated 5 uW EMRP, and taking another dB for the slightly higher= distance, would theoretically result in 24 dB less fieldstrength, or 0.19= fT - almost a perfect match.
 
So by these lines, it would seem at least very likely that Paul has= indeed observed my feeble signal! We intend to do repeat the experiment= in the near future for additional confirmation.
 
Very many thanks to all involved in this work!
 
73, Markus (DF6NM)
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