Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.202]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA092-b5354ccb46aac8; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:11:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BCF0A380000DC; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PBx9Z-0000g1-M8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:10:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PBx9Z-0000fs-8a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:10:29 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PBx9Y-0006Yk-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 23:10:29 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o9TM9q6s026211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:09:53 +0200 Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o9TMAQer008507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:10:26 +0200 Received: from [147.142.8.79] (vpn508-079.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de [147.142.8.79]) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o9TMAPkC014659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:10:26 +0200 Message-ID: <4CCB4663.2080500@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:10:43 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4CCAE624.3080402@legal-medicine.de> In-Reply-To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id o9TM9q6s026211 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: vlf experiments-numerical considerations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca4ccb46a83df6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Jacek, All very interesting, i cannot stop thinking about ;-) Your plot_80km.png tells me that in 200 km distance (pretty close to=20 DF6NM/DJ2LF/DK6NI/DJ6LB), 2500 Hz is the most suitable frequency. Compared to 8970 Hz, the signal shall be 20 =B5V stronger, about a factor= =20 5 in field strength (~ 14 dB). This would mean, my signal would be much=20 stronger even if the losses due to a parallel capacitor would increase=20 by say 6 dB. BTW, since i was out of resonance during the 5170 Hz test, the current=20 was just half the current which would be possible. This means my TX=20 power on 5170 Hz was just about 150 W! Anyway the S/N at OE3GHB was=20 about the same as on 6470 Hz where i have had the full power! So the=20 signal could have been 6 dB stronger! So, if i would use the 300m kite and switch a parallel capacitor to the=20 loading coil, 3x the C of the kite wire (about 5 nF/ 30 kV), i could=20 resonate on 2.5 kHz (crazy!). Although just 1/4 of the coils current=20 would flow into the wire (< 12 dB losses) my signal would be stronger in= =20 that region! Ah, i have forgotten the lower radiation resistance of the=20 300m wire on this frequency,ok... Oh dear, should we really try a 2.5 kHz test? Another idea: It would be most interesting in a test on the earth=20 antenna since there is no need to resonate it and the earth losses are=20 almost independent of frequency! If the frequency decreases, the skip=20 depth (and so the effective loop area) increases. This might partly=20 compensate the decrease of efficiency.Wow! I will prepare such a test=20 for the next week! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 29.10.2010 22:57, schrieb Jacek Lipkowski: > On Fri, 29 Oct 2010, pws wrote: > >> Yes, I'm very interested, especially in the makefile since I'm having >> trouble invoking the GCC against those code. More than 30 years ago=20 >> dealing >> with Fortran - on a block heating station named PDP-10 ["."] > > the page with code and sample graphs is here: > http://www.lipkowski.org/~sq5bpf/vlf/wavevlf/ > > i've added a program that can be used to create data for graphs and=20 > example files for gnuplot to make graphs. the code compiles under=20 > gfortran > > jacek