Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.9]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB022-a1904ccb001830; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:10:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-di05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E61783800029B; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PBsSA-0006Gv-Np for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:09:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PBsSA-0006Gm-7g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:09:22 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PBsS9-0004hl-HT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:09:22 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o9TH9KlV025198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:09:20 +0200 Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o9TH8gF6017731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:08:42 +0200 Received: from [147.142.8.79] (vpn508-079.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de [147.142.8.79]) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o9TH9GOg007028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:09:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4CCAFFCE.7010603@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:09:34 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: vlf experiments-numerical considerations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40094ccb00156715 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Jacek, Could you create a picture like plot_80km for distances up to 5000km? I think i do not want to start simulating, my job is in the field ;-) But you have done it and may generate it easily? This all is very interesting but i wonder if there are not significant propagation differences between the way the waves have to travel (flat land, sea, alpes, poles...!) E.g. Renato Romero has an excellent RX down to DC but my S/N at his location was rather poor (compared to other RX stations). So, is it the local QRN that may be a little more in the south or maybe due to the alps? The S/N between 8970 and 6470 was about the same, as at other locations too. What do the experts think could be the difference between these differnt traveling ways? 73, Stefan Am 29.10.2010 14:58, schrieb Jacek Lipkowski: > this is a nice plot showing field strength vs frequency and distance, > calculated from Piotr's code. please notice that for a given distance > there are two frequencies which yield the highest field strength for a > constant antenna current - see the second plot, calculated for 904km > distance (my distance from DK7FC :) > > btw, Piotr's code is very fast! > > i made a slightly modified version to include calculating of multiple > values, and some additional stuff (compiling via gfortran, a makefile, > ploting the data via gnuplot etc). it was used to make these graphs. i > can post it if anyone is interested > > VY 73 > > Jacek / SQ5BPF