Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.88]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA044-b5234cba2c262c9; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:50:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C8E52380000B5; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1P7FYX-0004gs-BF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:48:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1P7FYW-0004gj-SV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:48:48 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P7FYV-00015X-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:48:48 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o9GMmBuB005387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 00:48:11 +0200 Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o9GMmjEX001295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 00:48:45 +0200 Received: from [147.142.13.33] (vpn513-033.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de [147.142.13.33]) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o9GMmDLu012635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 00:48:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4CBA2BE5.2010909@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 00:49:09 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <12d39.21c49c07.39eb82d5@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <12d39.21c49c07.39eb82d5@aol.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: F4DTL to ON7YD Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090603050306060404030204" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584cba2c246d22 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------090603050306060404030204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id o9GMmBuB005387 Hello Nicolas, With a higher diameter you get more L at less turns, so more volts per=20 turn. This makes it necessary to use a better wire insulation or a=20 higher wire spacing, depending on the power. Keeping the coil dry is=20 important, no matter what wire you use. Thus i have to go immediately=20 QRT on VLF when it starts to rain. On LF, it is enough just to cover the= =20 coil by a trash bag... 73 and GL, Stefan/DK7FC Am 17.10.2010 00:36, schrieb F4DTL@aol.com: > Hello Rik,LF > Because I had this diameter in PVC and especially to limit the losses=20 > in the coil.Less length of wire and of course a better Q=20 > factor.Unfortunately this afternoon I wanted to increase the power for= =20 > a last test to 430W,it was raining and there is an spark between two=20 > coils and a beautiful burns.Too much voltage can be a problem or=20 > isolation of wires? I will repair it with news tests. I did not know=20 > that these diameters are more vulnerable to losses in nearby object.=20 > Thanx for this information. > If you want some pictures give your personal email Rick. > *F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP* > Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 16/10/2010 15:36:50 Paris, Madrid (heure=20 > d'=E9t=E9), Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be a =E9crit : > > Hello Nicolas, > is there any particular reason you made a large diameter loading > coil ? > I recall a discussion (maybe 10 years ago) on this reflector where > the outcome was that large diameter coils (to a certain extend) > have a better Q, but are also more vulnerable to losses in nearby > object. > 73, Rik ON7YD > --------------090603050306060404030204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Nicolas,

With a higher diameter you get more L at less turns, so more volts per turn. This makes it necessary to use a better wire insulation or a higher wire spacing, depending on the power. Keeping the coil dry is important, no matter what wire you use. Thus i have to go immediately QRT on VLF when it starts to rain. On LF, it is enough just to cover the coil by a trash bag...

73 and GL, Stefan/DK7FC



Am 17.10.2010 00:36, schrieb F4DTL@aol.com:
Hello Rik,LF
 
Because I had this diameter in PVC and especially to limit the losses in the coil.Less length of wire and of course a better Q factor.Unfortunately this afternoon I wanted to increase the power for a last test to 430W,it was raining and there is an spark between two coils and a beautiful burns.Too much voltage can be a problem or isolation of wires? I will repair it with news tests. I did not know that these diameters are more vulnerable to losses in nearby object. Thanx for this information.
 
If you want some pictures give your personal email Rick.
 
F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP
 
 
 
Dans un e-mail daté du 16/10/2010 15:36:50 Paris, Madrid (heure d'été), Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be a écrit :
Hello Nicolas,
 
is there any particular reason you made a large diameter loading coil ?
I recall a discussion (maybe 10 years ago) on this reflector where the outcome was that large diameter coils (to a certain extend) have a better Q, but are also more vulnerable to losses in nearby object.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD  
 
 
 
 
 
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