Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dj06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dj06.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.142]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF084-5f014ca8368238; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 03:53:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dj06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C9784380000B8; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 03:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1P2JMc-00042o-2f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:52:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1P2JMR-00042f-NC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:51:55 +0100 Received: from warsl404pip2.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.113] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P2JMR-000736-Nu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:51:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 8606 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2010 07:51:49 -0000 Received: from 188-23-191-52.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.191.52]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub93.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Oct 2010 07:51:49 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <4CA5E86D.1070208@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <6F6098420211436FABB78BE04E5F8FAD@JimPC> <000901cb6215$2db60550$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4CA7096F.7070307@freenet.de> <25B77CFFDA13430086BE150894C4D3C3@Black> <5C71BB4133A642F7A2D06B26B567880D@Black> <65DFBC8F38CD4AF48A62C61B6BC4DCC4@Black> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:51:47 +0200 Message-ID: <1286092307.1531.11.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: DK7FC's 7th VLF kite experiment Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039cdbc9d0b4ca8367f75c3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello James ! I had a similar problem with an old Toshiba Satellite notebook. I solved it by setting the cooling method to "Quiet" instead of "Performance" in the BIOS and adding an external fan (120x120mm 12V/0,1A) to cool the underside of the notebook. In "Performance"-Mode the internal fan goes off and on periodically, causing frequency shifts with temperature. In "Quiet"-Mode the internal fan runs constantly on a low speed, thus providing a relatively constant temperature. The drifts that I still observe now are very slow and usually not visible in a screen-capture. Look for a similar setting in your BIOS! 73 es gl OE3GHB Gerhard Am Samstag, den 02.10.2010, 23:42 +0100 schrieb James Moritz: > Dear Stefan, LF Group, > > This is the screen shot of today's signal from DK7FC at my home QTH (IO91vr) > from about 1020 until 1300 utc. The time markers are at 1 hour intervals. > The QRN level seemed to be quite low. The horizontal streaks are local > mains-related QRM. My laptop decided to switch itself off at about the time > Stefan's transmission started, but fortunately I was present at the time and > only a few minutes of signal were lost. The SNR reached about 15dB with 3 > millihertz FFT resolution - I think if the maximum ERP could be maintained, > copy of QRSS60 or QRSS30 signals would be possible under these conditions. > > A spectrogram with this resolution begins to show the limitations of using > the laptop's internal sound card. The start of the trace shows the warm-up > drift of the sound card, which isn't too bad. But you can see that the > signal trace is spread over several FFT bins, apparently due to some > short-term instability of the sampling rate. I think this is due to the > cooling fan in the laptop cycling on and off every minute or two, frequency > modulating the soundcard clock by several millihertz due to the changing > temperature. I think if this instability could be eliminated, the SNR would > be improved by some dBs. Probably an external sound card would be a good > idea. > > Thanks to Stefan for another successful VLF test, > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU