Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.21]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME021-8ba44cae48ca3c4; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:25:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E85D7380000B5; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1P3ysU-0001vD-QF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:23:54 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1P3ysU-0001v3-DQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:23:54 +0100 Received: from smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.233]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P3ysS-0002QV-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:23:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 45191 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2010 22:23:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=RHRTG3eeZW03C0PcXoC9H9wxuy98k6b14pRoPA3+NOPXJGGNajsLBiYaGKzUK8PnMM9ALoNb3w/I4A+Bc1SgWQj8G/8wXUryQzMwJcNJfrDgSThNvZQpQq4LvNfShRp0+yYMdjHEpsNeqNKJw2BObXmr/Vv8I/T817zrzCSVde4= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1286490226; bh=46AiF6Vlvz4h3fJipfAhAaKd09jlMeoav5x9Ld0eIO8=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=Xh4thp/GSSe/QuXYnSOdaZSSLZV/MUW1y5rejI7qR7gLN9647ySDM/zxU1MmtrMXG234EOxgih9UVTeC6enbuVLiZcFi74Cu/qMdgc4fnDGXHOmQ3F/7PzamkLijIP4npRS80oYSUd9gTt/4pwA6VPh5GLOyQM34o5Qrytdb8/o= Received: from lark (alan.melia@86.134.103.155 with login) by smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Oct 2010 15:23:46 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: fpz.2VeswBBs59bVshRPmMN51lcO2lgFRIvE4XTqE8dRwOxd70E- X-YMail-OSG: 29bt8XEVM1nxgLXnIE5XxQpbST265WjvHvh9kpzg_AOAueM JVLXsZi9aFV0BkT5jMikhhVMFVsjc4d34TBG2ZbBeH5U18XIz5.XI3PQc_wi P4.pP6Xbh4j95XP4zqJxIbUzNBr1yNDXgO35grju1T67Wj2zcGw4rToflKvs nRoUGFKXKyu8GwU7O7fDtijsecQVI_Wv9M6oIzGhYMsBwpZZHZc2whnFD14Y YAwGM670X0JYyUVcaJ.O4oiqi79NFnTxvRHi2j8Ls21a3NiLKGM945iVVEoT Y8dnoDnntAxE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <00fa01cb666e$5663ae00$4001a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <4CAE2956.50803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:20:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.2001 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2001 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101007-1, 07/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: interesting LF propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d258.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41154cae48c816fb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan, yes this will happen ....look at the wavelength of 136 and= it is about 2.2km it does not take much vertical movement of the night-time "reflection layer" to sweep through a full phase cycle and the extinct= ion where the ground and sky cancle with be different for you and Markus. Locations varying by as little as 10km often see this effect. Mike has= quite a big signal. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: LF: interesting LF propagation > I just saw that Mike/G3XDV appears very much stronger on my grabber > _after_ 19 UTC while he is much stronger _before_ 19 UTC on the DF6N= M > grabber and almost invisible after 19 UTC. The difference of distanc= e > between Markus and me is about 180 km. QRN is not the reason but the > signal strengh itselfe. > > > > > I assume this effect is not been observed the first time ;-) > > The two dots apper strong on both locations. So it was a 'dip'? > > > > 73, Stefan > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ ---- > I just saw that Mike/G3XDV appears very much stronger on my grabber= after 19 UTC while he is much stronger before 19 UTC on the DF6NM grabber an= d almost invisible after 19 UTC. The difference of distance between Mark= us and me is about 180 km. QRN is not the reason but the signal strengh itsel= fe. > > > > > I assume this effect is not been observed the first time ;-) > > The two dots apper strong on both locations. So it was a 'dip'? > > > > 73, Stefan >