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From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:10:21 +0100
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Victor

I am on the East coast and just across the sea from Holland and most Dutch
stns are audible with me on 137 and 500. The stn on 9 Kcs was on slow hand
sent cw and is most likely to be PA but qsb was bad and then it stopped
before I got any ID.
Listen out just below 9 Kcs.
My antenna is 3 x inv L up 100 ft vertical and over 400 ft horz all in
parallel and resonated around 9 Kcs, each one 500 ft in total length
(1500 ft total wire, 457 metres).
RX is a selective voltmeter/audio to computer spectrum display
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----
From: <victor13@online.nl>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: RE: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today


> Hello Mal,
>
> how are you so sure it's a PA0 station,any id? The radio spectrum is
> regulated from 9 KHz to (if I am correct) 300GHz.Maby some governments
want
> to regulate outside these borders...Of course (lucky) the radiowaves don't
> stop at the English coast.I don't think most governments have very much
> interrest
> regulating below 9KHz,practical applicatians are rare and it's very
> difficult to radiate a signal at all,let alone intefere with some other
> service.
> If their is a dutch station active I would like to know who it is and
listen
> for him,or here!
>
> 73
> Victor
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens mal hamilton
> Verzonden: zondag 24 oktober 2010 11:06
> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Onderwerp: Re: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today
>
>
> Victor
> I have already heard a PA0 stn on 9 Kcs a couple of weeks ago, weak signal
> on slow CW and last nite when I got into the shack in the evening there
was
> a stn testing carrier on/off for short periods, could be the same stn back
> agn.
> It seems strange in the UK a licence is needed for the audio spectrum
> whereas those EU countries a few miles away across the channel have a free
> hand.
> Maybe they think these radio waves stop at the English coast.
> The same thing happened some years back when CB was prohibited in the UK
> whereas it was permitted in most parts of EU. Its hard to work out the
> logic.
> The new UK government are de restricting many of the past regulations and
> maybe will look at Ofcom procedures although in EU there are also
> restrictive practices like no permits for 500 Kcs in most countries.
>
> de g3kev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <victor13@online.nl>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 9:07 AM
> Subject: RE: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today
>
>
> > Hello Alan,
> >
> > So under british regulations I did a lot of illegal experiments in the
> past
> > HI.I don't know how the dutch telecom office thinks about this but I
have
> a
> > feeling they just don't want to be bothered with this kind of
> experiments.If
> > I had the room for decent antenna's I was already transmitting at 9 KHz!
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Victor
> >
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Alan Melia
> > Verzonden: zaterdag 23 oktober 2010 23:33
> > Aan: RSGB LF Gp
> > Onderwerp: Re: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today
> >
> >
> > In theory, if you communicate, yes! They reserve the right to make the
> > decision to approve, and laser comms are under their "regulation"
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <victor13@online.nl>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 9:09 AM
> > Subject: RE: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today
> >
> >
> > > So you need permission to switch on a light???
> > >
> > > 73
> > >
> > > Victor
> > >
> > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Alan Melia
> > > Verzonden: vrijdag 22 oktober 2010 22:14
> > > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > > Onderwerp: Re: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today
> > >
> > >
> > > No a good idea Jacek Ofcoms regulatory powers do not end at 9kHz. They
> > have
> > > powers over radiation at any frequency.
> > > Alan G3NYK
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jacek Lipkowski" <sq5bpf@lipkowski.org>
> > > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:45 PM
> > > Subject: Re: LF: 8.97kHz NoV received today
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Fri, 22 Oct 2010, Roger Lapthorn wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > *Frequencies allowed:*   8.7kHz - 9.1kHz
> > > >
> > > > i wonder what would happen if you applied specifically for
> 8.0-8.990kHz
> > > > (no frequency >9kHz). is expanding the frequency range above 9kHz a
> > trick
> > > > by OFCOM, so that they can show that they have juristiction?
> > > >
> > > > VY 73
> > > >
> > > > Jacek / SQ5BPF
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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