Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.29]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD054-8b874ca8820037b; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:15:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6B923380001D1; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1P2ONz-0005kL-Rg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:13:51 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1P2ONp-0005kC-Ge for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:13:41 +0100 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P2ONo-0008Ux-Qm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:13:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 76241 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2010 13:13:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=FBfHxhyau6ptBBpDO7lUPS8GgciVGegaPcvd9O83Zz2tASgwEZbr1LLdJ3AqHqKn4y5ZGup2fBDB2ZH4KEHityFqmBPf7MZrJkmh6VHm1cbxxWq0DMcm3YsufngyQGTKxbgi6ge17hYQ+iHignlZZ34ZU8NfgxG39uRKpodzb7g= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1286111614; bh=FLvNkMh/+TWakriTFK9/1yfNKj6XH4lIUEepm4sJD5M=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=m86bJdUpc6Fv/nEh3/8hKkdtdOZGPc5jEeuy2OB+Pr/UsEB5US2YX8VH/FcWozi/RAI7ExO0hLhBY7TNoh9WdCh87GFbU0G32xzp7KkWu1rRfZj2u+UaLNglXv5UMfxqj4rDjr963F+dVOl5+tz3Pg+wdpLGVLZ4JnhBo94EEEU= Received: from lark (alan.melia@86.134.103.155 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Oct 2010 13:13:34 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: fpz.2VeswBBs59bVshRPmMN51lcO2lgFRIvE4XTqE8dRwOxd70E- X-YMail-OSG: RRKr77kVM1lfKuLm_6Udmfa5dh_m4DwDSofHBWlBXZN4lr8 UwLumuFVickqw9yDgk59K_3rYcSG7IsqQ3NnrDUWfAGmneNjLpxLo4y25D.p WuSzp2ZSuBd.qs4KFNS3NxbNz6dorql3tSOo0HZ.UXnbIVydYUNtStynSQvo L7jjPTEE7KSmqrRYr57FG4Zx_JQeVlSEPWzPoXJB8F_A5aF3GuJdWGsUKZt0 NKXd8EU7UetAJeLqbYKX9Ovo5GMXnDQTHRLGK8ZLCFrN02oqqWv.VWD.4u70 zOuUDV0NhkApDmykxH_agXtF0vgC8Gchr45Q- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000001cb62fc$cb41aa30$4001a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <4CA5E86D.1070208@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <376446.30745.qm@web111903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 14:12:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.2001 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2001 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101002-2, 02/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: looking for a simple-to-build sub-9KHz E-probe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m261.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411d4ca881ff3511 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Daniele, another thought ...Have you tried the 50Hz comb filter that is built into the facilities of SpectrumLab ?? This tacts mains hum and harmonics. It is not as good as getting the antenna away from mains wiring but is better than nothing if you dont have that option. It has been used a lot in the VLF group by whister receiver users. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniele Tincani" To: Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 12:31 PM Subject: VLF: looking for a simple-to-build sub-9KHz E-probe Hello VLF, just to try to improve a bit my reception at < 9KHz, I'm looking for a easy-to-build E-probe design. Currently I'm using a very simple system (http://www.vlf.it/easyloop/_easyloop.htm) which works very good but unfortunately it has to succumb to the intense hum I have all around. In fact, I live on the 5th floor of a 6-floors jointly-owned building in a sub-urban area (in Livorno, Italy). I have a motorway, a railway, electric powerlines, mobile phone antennas, etc. all within a few hundreds meters. I don't know if an E-probe would survive better than a loop in such an hostile enviroment :-) However, a short whip is for sure easier to build and to handle than a 70 cm x 70 cm, 40-turns loop like the one I have currently. I'm also looking for an homebrew design as off-the-shelf receivers look to me a bit costly compared to my VLF budget :-) Any suggestions/references? Best regards Daniele