Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.213]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME053-8bb24c7ec13a20d; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:10:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 798CB380000B6; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 17:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OquXu-0005sv-RE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:08:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OquXu-0005sm-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:08:38 +0100 Received: from smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OquXp-0002zy-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:08:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 23999 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2010 21:08:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ukosHt7TmVqdIDp9T6yXoIXpDRR/5xdTkeX1fZF9z1Xj+Igzffzc6eCbfz0tScOqAMCFcSyx5DQs6rr86WC66tZYqlspqTOeqYSeOA8ks14GPe5CYVSQQNIy5H00raEDoFTAzUN/GY/TurT/DKrB9AwEYILK6iFumoPRAl7j4ZQ= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1283375307; bh=Hjjw8N0sOXZWDfX/ickjgC6n5K3iN+GUXTplGyAz3Ts=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=QU5pSLb/eqH3U4tyeeLg04EjabnTuUKZecpUKrrWRSaOqZINxCcclHaSz2ZDfSkxQlz5n9uqpJvowk/Ojez24T00V/HUmeAVffE78HcQ4PfFiFv1sAGY6fNRrNWUiPI5Y4ommqSQYZUluqoUoxvjfNRGwIU7u45ngaDJkxkTiHc= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.180.119.138 with login) by smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Sep 2010 21:08:27 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: OTbpwh0VM1nI7RJlAok_Q_UmyXqAkuhEDbHm87SqZnC33OJ rZewCDfct6XJ4KpJB3BBfNQ94ObE8ieAaJrMEZzoVtZ7QEU9rREcCbgxWZs0 jqhaK3hmnDPNFSYqJf.rgrLKXS8PE75tlBU5Y3csxHBR.2d0YrDLZQEa1kpT fVECMMH9H0shpCuS8Pqqnw2.syeHv0XvP9k6zV3DCFqfOZ6TDbcHi_BJ9IpH irjXKcJL8TIVgYEiBwxNu5m6L34IV X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000a01cb493d$fb8f3410$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><4C7E2046.536.2C4F91@v.d.heide.on-line.de><002501cb49f0$acabccb0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003b01cb49fc$89767860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <003b01cb49fc$89767860$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 22:08:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18197 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: VLF THOUGHT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m232.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d54c7ec1381cb7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Mal, LF Group, G3KEV wrote: ...Theoretically that is correct ... And also wrote: ...Miracles are possible but impossibilities take a little longer. Some serious THOUGHT needs to go into this subject. Too many theory merchants about and no field experience... Umm yes. Very nicely put Mal ... I think ;-) I can sometimes hear the outdoor music events at Knebworth, about 20km from my QTH, where they are probably using similar amplifiers and speakers to the ones you were talking about. But all you can hear is a sort of low rythmic rumble, certainly anything in the kilohertz range is totally inaudible at this distance. Sound location of aircraft through their engine noise was developed fairly intensively in the 1930s, but was abandoned because radar techniques proved much more practical - I seem to remember the maximum range for aircraft detection using sound was only about 30km under perfect conditions, requiring a very low background acoustic noise level. There has been a long military history of sound location since the first world war, for locating artillery positions, etc. But this is again using low frequency sound, and over relatively short distances. For detection of long-distance sounds, you may like to try Googling "Project Mogul", if you don't mind wading through all the UFO-related stuff... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU