Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.12]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA062-b5294c7e3c4b382; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:43:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E61AB380000A6; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Oqlh7-0002dV-9c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:41:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Oqlh6-0002dM-Mm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:41:32 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Oqlgz-0007wf-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:41:32 +0100 Received: by bwz16 with SMTP id 16so6205544bwz.16 for ; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:41:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6rGyMqcjg65+UVeNw+bF5ByVxWLdX4etJeJbq3qGMdw=; b=MRuO2mGlSHhrT1KqBgZnURcCu2kd58O8xOVrGYAlspVU1XiaSQM/0RXk20ecT+29vI z9aY0qV1m3sF5jHMR5aZpyYVmtBp3G6nNjWtOHaJwKEyDkJdr+HHfPL0qjDUZIJz46BJ 3DmPDv/c+gZnTbWv5QtrhnMig9ZKh0xt7YU0s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=oOxpqH3ZGkaBqp3/VHews5mxJ91tCWvBm6tnwzj9IzOh5/ceXp/3oyh2dEIhNKeBGh zI/illDjVn1A1YcGNkHolJtc/Bxvi5MgCoDwU0NK01XUWygVvlySXJ0VGA0xHJluvEnG nYI3Rh2+r4UXUwWBMXutKVwxdECtmgpQ/YbmA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.82.155 with SMTP id b27mr4990419bkl.182.1283341284583; Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.136.67 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 04:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:41:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: ERP calculation (revised) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dd8a2964a9b2048f312d52 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m262.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410c4c7e3c491bb3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6dd8a2964a9b2048f312d52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Today I managed, I believe, for the first time to *accurately* measure the ERP of my QRPp system on 137kHz. This is the method used: - Using the E-field probe, FT817 (AGC off, gain backed off as far as possible and a 10dB pad between the EFP and the FT817) and Spectran I went to my usual test site 1.5km away from the QTH, 45 degrees off the main lobe of the TX loop/earth electrode antenna. - Measured the signal level of DCF39 on 138.83kHz - Measured the signal level of G3XBM on 137.675kHz - Repeated this three times to reduce errors. - Noted the difference in FS level. Difference in signal level = *44dB *. I feel pretty confident this is an accurate figure now and *not* effected by AGC and overload. Assuming DCF39 is 1mV/m here (info from Alan Melia) then my FS at the test site is*6.4uV/m *. Using the formula ERP = (E*d)^2/49 where E = 6.4*10E-6 and d=1.5*10E3 gives an *ERP = 1.9uW* giving an antenna efficiency of *-63dB* using the earth electrode antenna with the elevated feed and 4W from the PA. The test site is about 45 degrees off the main line of fire of the antenna, so in the best direction it could be 10dB (?) stronger, i.e. *20uW ERP*giving an antenna efficiency of *-53dB* in the best directions. Frankly I'm amazed that anyone can copy this signal at any distance, so full marks to G3XIZ (48km) and G3XDV (62km). Next stage is to try this arrangement for a few more days using QRSS3 and WSPR before swapping to a full "in the air" loop and repeating these tests. Great fun and I'm leaning as I go, which is the whole point of ham radio. 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0016e6dd8a2964a9b2048f312d52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Today I managed, I believe, for the first time to accurately measur= e the ERP of my QRPp system on 137kHz.

This is the method used:
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  • Using the E-field probe, FT817 (AGC off, gain backed off as far as= possible and a 10dB pad between the EFP and the FT817) and Spectran I wen= t to my usual test site 1.5km away from the QTH, 45 degrees off the main= lobe of the TX loop/earth electrode antenna.
  • Measured the signal level of DCF39 on 138.83kHz
  • Measured= the signal level of G3XBM on 137.675kHz
  • Repeated this three= times to reduce errors.
  • Noted the difference in FS level.
Difference in signal level =3D 44dB . I feel pretty confident this= is an accurate figure now and not effected by AGC and overload. As= suming DCF39 is 1mV/m here (info from Alan Melia)=A0 then my FS at the tes= t site is 6.4uV/m.=A0 Using the formula ERP =3D (E*d)^2/49 where E= =3D 6.4*10E-6 and d=3D1.5*10E3 gives an ERP =3D 1.9uW giving an an= tenna efficiency of -63dB using the earth electrode antenna with th= e elevated feed and 4W from the PA.=A0

The test site is about 45 degrees off the main line of fire of the ant= enna, so in the best direction it could be 10dB (?) stronger, i.e. 20uW= ERP giving an antenna efficiency of -53dB in the best directio= ns. Frankly I'm amazed that anyone can copy this signal at any distanc= e, so full marks to G3XIZ (48km) and G3XDV (62km).

Next stage is to try this arrangement for a few more days using QRSS3= and WSPR before swapping to a full "in the air" loop and repeat= ing these tests.

Great fun and I'm leaning as I go, which is th= e whole point of ham radio.

73s
Roger G3XBM

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