Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.86]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64ca10323150; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:48:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 141D6380000B1; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1P0KbB-0006A0-3g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:46:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1P0Kb0-00069n-M2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:46:46 +0100 Received: from n1-vm0.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([67.195.23.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P0Kb0-0006QA-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:46:48 +0100 Received: from [98.137.27.132] by n1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2010 20:46:38 -0000 Received: from [67.195.9.101] by t4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2010 20:46:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2010 20:46:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 952196.25918.bm@omp105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16941 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Sep 2010 20:46:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1285620397; bh=K/iJL2r+fmLnKrlmPb4oXtEGyKRyzOs/C7guqWmh42A=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ncx5XzZ6jMGybqbPIjCsl56qvKGVhF2YmNJSycKQeWx8HwZH9W1kZq7FRBaF8Fl76s+3nIeCniNWVc2z2XEtUooIUwMkrBHb4/A3PJMSVKI9pjx0c3P2s+OkYzwkgYEHkAcavjtMcS1DdtR9xajo2orweDqGlwD0G/JKR2QFDwU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mTUbBcd9p6kYtV6K53Kjc80alng/UNpQjX0iDs9krOXNWcrBg4pSk1VWGJlYBM1cLTtqMK5bNeGls7SVL26EzUdMgTAzU5JFFGDJFv89hJBYgaGLnxLhylocdtCyZ8qm1Ea+CWMO9g0rUD2FmQklcuZ2a3JSK7ieZsN1kvMPW04=; Message-ID: <741352.16197.qm@web111912.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6XTGAEYVM1lO43hf6PtnmwtS8Rnxth4Iqh7tWfHr649fPKS fQgtWs7OJig.C8R7v5h_l.V1phewO3ijkOwQ34X9T0uVSkA3jR.8qx_DAN_P cE08UE9MjK5tdJeyQub5cjmOK6YVxMPKIMlnM83O.PYldIaO9QqFigh6Pb.I uJgpm8vrITn28sI5WToED4qvN6qEpkmApNONDvKi23d7mtfBrmOLrx.s2k6u XRfFQFDnm40ghvqF8gU6BtAAvCDKqDW7T.cFgvNxSwOOmczhLKm6Ep4XEniZ M7c5Wh889SE44P18- Received: from [82.61.66.172] by web111912.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:46:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: <4CA0EB84.9010708@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:46:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniele Tincani To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4CA0EB84.9010708@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: VLF: Earth antenna DX on 8970 Hz confirmed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1520151944-1285620397=:16197" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m250.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564ca10321364c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0-1520151944-1285620397=:16197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan, VLF, in your knowledge, are Michael's settings for clipper/blanker=A0valid=A0re= gardless=20 of the=A0rx signal level or they need adjustment for farther stations? Best regards Daniele ________________________________ From: Stefan Sch=E4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 9:07:48 PM Subject: VLF: Earth antenna DX on 8970 Hz confirmed VLF, Last saturday, Michael Oexner has successfully and undoubtly received the= =20 message i transmitted on the 600m spaced earth electrode antenna on 8970= Hz. His=20 RX antenna is a PA0RDT design. SpecLab was used to receive the signals. The applied TX power was about 250 W and the mode was DFCW-600. The antenn= a=20 current was measured to be 530 mA. The QRN was reasonably low although it= could=20 have been better to transmit 2 hours before. There are 2 screenshots in one picture: The upper (in UTC) shows the resul= t with=20 a SpecLab internal band filter (BW=3D 6 kHz, centered arround 9 kHz). A cl= ipping=20 level of 6 dB was applied + the noise blanker set to 0.002/9/0.05. The low= er (in=20 UTC+2h) shows the same signal without using the internal SpecLab filter an= d=20 without clipper, so just the blanker. You can see the difference! This mea= ns, as=20 impressive demonstrated by Paul Nicholson on http://abelian.org/vlf/ss1008= 01/,=20 that bandfiltering is very important on VLF. Mostly it means to exclude th= e=20 mains hum and the strong MSK transmitters. A too narrow filter is not opti= mal=20 since the blanker has to "see" the QRN to blank it then. Thus i modified= my VLF=20 grabber circuit and have thrown out the 9 kHz band filter. After increasing the earth antennas efficiency soon, the signal should be= up to=20 10 dB stonger :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC =20 --0-1520151944-1285620397=:16197 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Stefan, VLF,
 
in your knowledge, are Michael's settings for clipper/blanker va= lid regardless of the rx signal level or they need adjustment fo= r farther stations?
 
Best regards
Daniele
=

From: Stefan Sch=E4fer <= ;schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 9:07:48 PM
Subject: VLF: Earth antenna DX on= 8970 Hz confirmed

VLF,

Last saturday, Michael Oex= ner has successfully and undoubtly received the message= i transmitted on the 600m spaced earth electrode antenna on 8970 Hz.= His RX antenna is a PA0RDT design. SpecLab was used to receive the si= gnals.

The applied TX power was about 250 W and the mode was DFCW-6= 00. The antenna current was measured to be 530 mA. The QRN was reasonably= low although it could have been better to transmit 2 hours before.
There are 2 screenshots in one picture: The upper (in UTC) shows the resu= lt with a SpecLab internal band filter (BW=3D 6 kHz, centered arround 9 kHz). A clipping le= vel of 6 dB was applied + the noise blanker set to 0.002/9/0.05. The lower= (in UTC+2h) shows the same signal without using the internal SpecLab filt= er and without clipper, so just the blanker. You can see the difference!= This means, as impressive demonstrated by Paul Nicholson on http://abelia= n.org/vlf/ss100801/, that bandfiltering is very important on VLF. Mostly= it means to exclude the mains hum and the strong MSK transmitters. A too= narrow filter is not optimal since the blanker has to "see" the QRN to bl= ank it then. Thus i modified my VLF grabber circuit and have thrown out th= e 9 kHz band filter.

After increasing the earth antennas efficiency= soon, the signal should be up to 10 dB stonger :-)

73, Stefan/DK7F= C



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