Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.88]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA101-b53c4c8a2c381a0; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:01:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 28FBF3800008E; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ou1Fb-0000DR-Hz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:54:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ou1FR-0000DI-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:54:25 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ou1FQ-0000ha-DI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:54:25 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o8AAsMtt011343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:54:23 +0200 Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o8AAsMkm007127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:54:22 +0200 Received: from [129.206.196.122] (vpn122a.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.196.122]) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o8AArt7a015757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:53:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4C8A0E6C.7080704@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:54:36 +0200 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4C86CD6A.7030507@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: VLF: UK NoVs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010200010401000408030906" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40584c8a2c3771f2 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------010200010401000408030906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id o8AAsMtt011343 Hello Jim, Of course i could give you some numbers of calculations. Your described=20 station should not radiate too much power ;-) But maybe Jim/M0BMU is the= =20 one who can not only do it better but also better verbalized :-)=20 Markus/DF6NM would be the expert from the german site (one of them) but=20 you have enough experts in UK ;-) I don't want to be the one who is=20 guilty if all the UK amateurs wouldn't get the NoV, HI :-) If you want to have any details from my TX station and radieated power=20 on VLF, i can give you a summary of course :-) BTW: I have now tapped my VLF TX coil to come back to 8.97 kHz/Dreamers=20 Band with the 200m kite vertical! DC resistance of the coil is now=20 reduced from 323 Ohm to 225 Ohm :-) With proper wind, the signal will=20 reach the 50 mW ERP level which could be suitable for a TA contact if=20 the RX side is well equipped! :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 10.09.2010 12:01, schrieb james.cowburn e-mail: > Hi Stefan > If you see below, Ofocm have asked me to demosntrate some calculations= =20 > to show my ERP. any help on providing a "robust" and "defendable"=20 > response would be appreciated if you can help me. > I'll be using an inv l antenna 10m/40m fed via a 1.4H coil or perhaps=20 > LOPT. Tx output will be from an audio amp at 200W running QRSS=20 > across a freq range of say 6khz to 10khz. > My earth conditions are fair to poor with average soil quality and a=20 > several rods and radials but no great expanse of buried copper. > could you send me some numbers I can then forward back to Ofcom. > i'm guessing that with a limited set up such as that the ERP will be=20 > in the nanowatt/femtowatt ranges > thanks in advance for any help > with best regards > jim G7NKS > Hello James, > > As you know we are now progressing the applications for a SRP NoV for=20 > 9kHz and we need a element of clarification concerning yours please. > > We have observed what might be an anomaly relating to the calculated=20 > efficiency referred to on the page titled =93Proposals for Site=94. Coul= d=20 > you please provide us with figures that were used to arrive at the=20 > power levels quoted under ERP? > > An early response would be welcomed in order that we can put all of=20 > the 3 current applications to the Met Office as one offering. > > Any concerns please let me know. > > 73 > > Rod (G3TXA) > > Rod Wilkinson > OLC Senior Associate, Amateur Radio > 020 7783 4488 (direct line) > Rod.wilkinson@ofcom.org.uk > > Ofcom > Riverside House > 2a Southwark Bridge Road > London SE1 9HA > 020 7981 3000 > www.ofcom.org.uk > > 2010/9/8 Stefan Sch=E4fer > > > LF, > > This weekend i saw the first time IK1HSS and RA3YO (disturbed by > my own transmission from France) in my QRSS-60 grabber window. > Tnx to them for the activity! > > 73, Stefan > > --------------010200010401000408030906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id o8AAsMtt011343 Hello Jim,

Of course i could give you some numbers of calculations. Your described station should not radiate too much power ;-) But maybe Jim/M0BMU is the one who can not only do it better but also better verbalized :-) Markus/DF6NM would be the expert from the german site (one of them) but you have enough experts in UK ;-) I don't want to be the one who is guilty if all the UK amateurs wouldn't get the NoV, HI :-)

If you want to have any details from my TX station and radieated power on VLF, i can give you a summary of course :-)

BTW: I have now tapped my VLF TX coil to come back to 8.97 kHz/Dreamers Band with the 200m kite vertical! DC resistance of the coil is now reduced from 323 Ohm to 225 Ohm :-) With proper wind, the signal will reach the 50 mW ERP level which could be suitable for a TA contact if the RX side is well equipped! :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 10.09.2010 12:01, schrieb james.cowburn e-mail:
Hi Stefan
=A0
If you see below, Ofocm have asked me to demosntrate some calculations to show my ERP.=A0 any help on providing a "robust" and "defendable" response would be appreciated if you can help me.
=A0
I'll be using an inv l antenna 10m/40m fed via a 1.4H coil or perhaps LOPT.=A0=A0 Tx output will be from an audio amp at 200W running QRSS across a freq range of say 6khz to 10khz.
=A0
My earth conditions are fair to poor with average soil quality and a several rods and radials but no great expanse of buried copper.
=A0
could you send me some numbers I can then forward back to Ofcom.
=A0
i'm guessing that with a limited set up such as that the ERP will be in the nanowatt/femtowatt ranges
=A0
thanks in advance for any help
=A0
with best regards
=A0
=A0
jim G7NKS
=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0
Hello James,
=A0
As you know we are now progressing the applications for a SRP NoV for 9kHz and we need a element of clarification concerning yours please.
=A0
We have observed what might be an anomaly relating to the calculated efficiency referred to on the page titled =93Proposals for Site=94. Could you please provide us with figures that were used to arrive at the power levels quoted under ERP?
=A0
An early response would be welcomed in order that we can put all of the 3 current applications to the Met Office as one offering.
=A0
Any concerns please let me know.
=A0
73
=A0
Rod=A0 (G3TXA)
=A0
Rod Wilkinson
OLC Senior Associate, Amateur Radio
020 7783 4488 (direct line)
R= od.wilkinson@ofcom.org.uk
=A0
Ofcom
Riverside House
2a Southwark Bridge Road
London SE1 9HA
020 7981 3000
www.ofcom.= org.uk

2010/9/8 Stefan Sch=E4fer &= lt;schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
LF,

This weekend i saw the first time IK1HSS and RA3YO (disturbed by my own transmission from France) in my QRSS-60 grabber window.
Tnx to them for the activity!

73, Stefan

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