Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.142]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64c89560432c; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:47:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (unknown [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5F1A2380000A6; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Otn3f-0002Nm-Vp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:45:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Otn3V-0002Nd-IN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:45:09 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Otn3U-0002CW-98 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:45:09 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o89Jj7vS009457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 21:45:07 +0200 Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o89Jj7Ws018007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 21:45:07 +0200 Received: from [147.142.13.146] (vpn513-146.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de [147.142.13.146]) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o89JidoD009774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 21:44:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4C89394F.40103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:45:19 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009001cb504d$39b9e8a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4C892C46.4080807@o2.ie> <2A320162D5CC43E59865BA5CDFD943CF@AGB> In-Reply-To: <2A320162D5CC43E59865BA5CDFD943CF@AGB> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: : Request for modification of Argo Time base Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060800030206090409020300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4c895603448b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------060800030206090409020300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Graham, OK, but most people are just transmitting beacon signals! I would not even have the time to do a real QSO in QRSS-60 but this is not the issue. We are talking about beacon transmissions like WD2XGJ or OE5ODL does it each night. RA3YO is transmitting "Y" in DFCW 60. So, if you receive 10x "Y" you could receive 1x "Y" in one night with 10 dB better S/N. But the thing is, that this 10 dB S/N can make the difference between receiving a weak trace (positive reception) and receiving nothing at all! Transmitting "Y" in DFCW-600 takes about 44 minutes which is no problem! People can think about that and may choose their personal wanted QRSS/DFCW mode :-) Ask Jim/M0BMU about his reception of my signal on VLF. He keeps the 2nd best RX distance at all on VLF! Ask what he would have received if choosing QRSS-60 (about 45 mHz FFT). He has taken the time to drive out of the noise and got a doubtless positive reception. If i would have transmitted QRSS-60, it would have been "lost" time and energy, for him and for me! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 09.09.2010 21:08, schrieb Graham: > Assuming this is right .. qrss 600 will have a dit length of > 600 seconds = 10 minuets and at 3:1 dit/dash dash = 30 minuets , > it would take over 1 hour to invite the other side to TX ...the > sun would be shining by then and game over ! > Not often but this time may be its One , Nill to the elder statesman > --------------060800030206090409020300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id o89Jj7vS009457 Hi Graham,

OK, but most people are just transmitting beacon signals! I would not even have the time to do a real QSO in QRSS-60 but this is not the issue. We are talking about beacon transmissions like WD2XGJ or OE5ODL does it each night. RA3YO is transmitting "Y" in DFCW 60. So, if you receive 10x "Y" you could receive 1x=C2=A0 "Y" in one night with 10 dB better S/N. But the thing is, that this 10 dB S/N can make the difference between receiving a weak trace (positive reception) and receiving nothing at all! Transmitting "Y" in DFCW-600 takes about 44 minutes which is no problem! People can think about that and may choose their personal wanted QRSS/DFCW mode :-)

Ask Jim/M0BMU about his reception of my signal on VLF. He keeps the 2nd best RX distance at all on VLF! Ask what he would have received if choosing QRSS-60 (about 45 mHz FFT). He has taken the time to drive out of the noise and got a doubtless positive reception. If i would have transmitted QRSS-60, it would have been "lost" time and energy, for him and for me!

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 09.09.2010 21:08, schrieb Graham:
Assuming this is right .. qrss=C2= =A0 600=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 have a=C2=A0 dit=C2=A0 length =C2=A0of=C2=A0 600 seconds =3D 10= minuets and at=C2=A0 3:1 dit/dash=C2=A0=C2=A0 dash =3D 30 minuets=C2=A0 , it=C2=A0 would take=C2=A0= over 1 hour to=C2=A0 invite the=C2=A0 other=C2=A0 side to=C2=A0 TX ...the=C2=A0 sun would be=C2=A0 shi= ning=C2=A0 by then and game over !
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