Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.204]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF023-5ee84c7fe51d247; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:55:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9942538000101; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OrDza-0002WD-HF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:54:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OrDza-0002W4-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:54:30 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OrDzV-0000tf-0G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:54:30 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o82Hskmc023449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:54:46 +0200 Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o82HsNK5003063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:54:23 +0200 Received: from [147.142.13.28] (vpn513-028.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de [147.142.13.28]) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o82HrwXH000954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:53:58 +0200 Message-ID: <4C7FE4DD.7040005@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:54:37 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?U3RlZmFuIFNjaMOkZmVy?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8CD18D871990A26-1370-24FA@Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CD18D871990A26-1370-24FA@Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: ERP calculation (revised) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000407090303050901010609" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cc4c7fe51b3f88 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------000407090303050901010609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Markus, Roger, LF, Am 02.09.2010 19:07, schrieb Markus Vester: > > Note this is using the radiation resistance for a loop in free space, > as the effect of ground is already included in the earth antenna > picture. For an above-ground loop with a mirror image beneath it, > radiation resistance would be doubled. Can the ground/soil be seen as a mirror for LF? It depends on the conductance and Epsilon R of course, but i mean the "normal" conds ;-) 73, cu, Stefan --------------000407090303050901010609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id o82Hskmc023449 Hello Markus, Roger, LF,

Am 02.09.2010 19:07, schrieb Markus Vester:

Note this is using the radiation resistance for a loop in free space, as the effect of ground is already included in the earth antenna picture. For an above-ground loop with a mirror image beneath it, radiation resistance would be doubled.
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Can the ground/soil be seen as a mirror for LF? It depends on the conductance and Epsilon R of course, but i mean the "normal" conds ;-)

73, cu, Stefan
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