Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.96]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME104-8bc84ca1154668; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:05:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1286438000094; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1P0Lnx-0007D0-OB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:04:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1P0Lnn-0007Cr-DS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:04:03 +0100 Received: from smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.247]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P0Lnm-0006qF-AY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:04:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 39918 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2010 22:03:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=EppCIvMtB/9bRzW9EPrpP/nZ3VG4QlkJMTzxxeoPYZ8iQr+Q5/ZheWkuTGSuqlNyLTPFgmD4pJZz90rGtI9wasItqvw2W2srKzDgnASMXWuw3ZsvmROPHF2tj3X4kuqvbT5KH797Bfzccy57oJnd+DmHfnoxU3hD13SVLaVKS4s= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1285625036; bh=XfvHzSsjiStLUe6j9joBbnroy1XRya98l8u1z54e8n0=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=KPnkFLZFzC2Zyfvk2y3CMT+IS+llH1QC8dPDydtsV66WyworZEYgPSZFHG9y2lqsAPWrU5PG0Rz3Qzj9MCMde7whHdwBj/p8qr+5aOC/KQJzil/8Z5QMiEyZR46haHEOKJ0VcZ8zadfHay6iMyKUCpSt1EKflQw/zCmTimqECHI= Received: from lark (alan.melia@86.134.103.155 with login) by smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2010 22:03:56 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: fpz.2VeswBBs59bVshRPmMN51lcO2lgFRIvE4XTqE8dRwOxd70E- X-YMail-OSG: KqpmfV4VM1mbM9qePHTKb5B8gjMbI.Lb6ENGUjQm0q95lIK fXtUFj2VhVxI_xSMq.L5_AJNzkPbGRyutFO1dpEPUSmDqKbcK1wGbljdSCQf bzpPdzr8tgigZO2Lw_LIsSnzrUEDTxOwTGEKmNLdBSA.dxe.dSJ2o4AUcN1a JW9zr2sDrpwasz41N0YXpUKDrtj0m0fYu097T3oG78HUKnkgaah.y7ugw96k LZRKP3EaufSWBxxfdVXzbps85BVIm_U_V4mRACdn51CIurzKnwycarEmUs15 yswzXzrlcSBc6cQS3RDMnR0Wl6wqXASha_Tw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <013701cb5e8f$e593bcf0$4001a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <4CA0FB40.5060404@telus.net> <4CA100C6.3080505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:55:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.2001 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2001 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100927-1, 27/09/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Loops on TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m234.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60604ca11544191e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan you can put lossy ground in but you cant really rely on the results at LF with any version of NEC I know of. Alan G3NYK. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:38 PM Subject: Re: LF: Loops on TX > LF, > > Am 27.09.2010 22:14, schrieb Scott Tilley: > > If someone knows the relationships for how a loop behaves over gro= und > > I'd love to see them too! > > Can't this be done in EZNEC? > > Scott, this sound really impressive. I have thought your loop area= is > even higher. So, if i can find and climb some trees, i could try to= test > a closed loop as well. Sounds like an alternative, maybe. > > What about RG213 as the loop conductor, i mean the shielding? If the > supports are not spaced to much, like some trees, this could work. > Starting with a small wire, carrying a bigger one and so on. Oh dear= , so > many ideas, help! > > 73, Stefan >