Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.142]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDI074-eb654c895603104; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:47:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (unknown [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BB6FC3800008B; Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OtnMz-0002eZ-0I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:05:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OtnMo-0002eQ-IA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:05:06 +0100 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OtnMm-0002K6-9K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:05:06 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlwFAAfbiExcEYOv/2dsb2JhbACDGYxikSFxsD6RW4RJdASBWYta X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,341,1280703600"; d="scan'208,217";a="460313289" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.17.131.175]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Sep 2010 21:04:57 +0100 Message-ID: <00cf01cb505a$4502ef10$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <009001cb504d$39b9e8a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4C892C46.4080807@o2.ie> <2A320162D5CC43E59865BA5CDFD943CF@AGB> <4C89394F.40103@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 21:04:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: : Request for modification of Argo Time base Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CB5062.A69EC070" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408e4c895601445f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CB5062.A69EC070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It looks like Stefan is ATTACKING anyone that does not agree with his= point of view. I find it difficult to envisage using QRS600 when already this past se= veral years faster speeds have proved adequate to cross the Atlantic= and beyond. however if others favour 600 good luck but I can manage without it. and don't forget the POP UP CALENDAR and beware of the dreaded QSB dur= ing the month long qso !! G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: : Request for modification of Argo Time base Hi Graham, OK, but most people are just transmitting beacon signals! I would no= t even have the time to do a real QSO in QRSS-60 but this is not the= issue. We are talking about beacon transmissions like WD2XGJ or OE5OD= L does it each night. RA3YO is transmitting "Y" in DFCW 60. So, if you= receive 10x "Y" you could receive 1x "Y" in one night with 10 dB bet= ter S/N. But the thing is, that this 10 dB S/N can make the difference= between receiving a weak trace (positive reception) and receiving not= hing at all! Transmitting "Y" in DFCW-600 takes about 44 minutes which= is no problem! People can think about that and may choose their perso= nal wanted QRSS/DFCW mode :-) Ask Jim/M0BMU about his reception of my signal on VLF. He keeps the= 2nd best RX distance at all on VLF! Ask what he would have received= if choosing QRSS-60 (about 45 mHz FFT). He has taken the time to driv= e out of the noise and got a doubtless positive reception. If i would= have transmitted QRSS-60, it would have been "lost" time and energy,= for him and for me! 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 09.09.2010 21:08, schrieb Graham:=20 Assuming this is right .. qrss 600 will have a dit length of= 600 seconds =3D 10 minuets and at 3:1 dit/dash dash =3D 30 minuet= s , it would take over 1 hour to invite the other side to TX ..= .the sun would be shining by then and game over ! Not often but this time may be its One , Nill to the elder st= atesman=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01CB5062.A69EC070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It looks like Stefan is ATTACKING any= one that does=20 not agree with his point of view.
I find it difficult to envisage using= QRS600 when=20 already this past several years faster speeds have proved adequate to= cross the=20 Atlantic and beyond.
however
if others favour 600 good luck but I= can manage=20 without it.
and don't forget the POP UP CALENDAR= and beware of=20 the dreaded QSB during the month long qso !!
 
 
G3KEV
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 09,= 2010 8:45=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: : Request fo= r=20 modification of Argo Time base

Hi Graham,

OK, but most people are just transm= itting=20 beacon signals! I would not even have the time to do a real QSO in= QRSS-60 but=20 this is not the issue. We are talking about beacon transmissions lik= e WD2XGJ=20 or OE5ODL does it each night. RA3YO is transmitting "Y" in DFCW 60.= So, if you=20 receive 10x "Y" you could receive 1x  "Y" in one night with 10= dB better=20 S/N. But the thing is, that this 10 dB S/N can make the difference= between=20 receiving a weak trace (positive reception) and receiving nothing at= all!=20 Transmitting "Y" in DFCW-600 takes about 44 minutes which is no prob= lem!=20 People can think about that and may choose their personal wanted QRS= S/DFCW=20 mode :-)

Ask Jim/M0BMU about his reception of my signal on VL= F. He=20 keeps the 2nd best RX distance at all on VLF! Ask what he would have= received=20 if choosing QRSS-60 (about 45 mHz FFT). He has taken the time to dri= ve out of=20 the noise and got a doubtless positive reception. If i would have tr= ansmitted=20 QRSS-60, it would have been "lost" time and energy, for him and for= =20 me!

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 09.09.2010 21:08, schrieb Grah= am:=20
Assuming this is right .. qrss&nb= sp; 600 =20 will  have a  dit  length  of  600 second= s =3D 10=20 minuets and at  3:1 dit/dash   dash =3D 30 minuets&= nbsp; ,=20 it  would take  over 1 hour to  invite the  ot= her =20 side to  TX ...the  sun would be  shining  by= then and=20 game over !
 
Not often but this time  may= be=20 its  One , Nill  to  the  elder statesman= =20
 

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