Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMB011-a0764c64eda5c6; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 03:00:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 31FAB380006B7; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 03:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OjoAi-0001e8-Tz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:55:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OjoAh-0001dz-Rj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:55:19 +0100 Received: from mail-fx0-f43.google.com ([209.85.161.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OjoAY-0006Nn-CA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:55:19 +0100 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so1695214fxm.16 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:54:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=25xRwr2o0dejSQU5NWSJtqa7W94QcDa9YN1E/W1oKck=; b=HCf1pjbZ9h8Uqu3gxL8/EPpvOxHmTosgvvP/uodu4OutOUj3I2GqhVVrPPYXnj8BHq r8CvVtQJPtWLI4nRvUqJqsdFvJC1n0iHPpatkv6aER6Cw8I7yfDczq5Qq5ISnUWCvPuq bQQ+JoaIdhzxHFLWRPyr7BTOed0NH5tjfrhEE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Q/LdmwSmbZEWJTwfxMUYC3MfOueQ+NUrXZaA9CBdgCFfRC6yIKXYea/I7yzc8UPZLl RZW9DEkYYZla+L8bmcuBDM5I4TYyS7EDjGB2Qpk/bn/Q6uHZxdQjTBYkJgx5Jd4sPQBE igjWk4rH6zrGSfxW7SLx0FdJQuMGTM2YpOgyM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.46.129 with SMTP id j1mr666896bkf.144.1281682496172; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.194.69 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:54:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1281660798.6173.21.camel@vaio3rd> References: <002801cb3a41$560b7db0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1281660798.6173.21.camel@vaio3rd> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:54:56 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Two Earth Electrodes Antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dd8e81e633f0048daef541 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m234.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944c64ed911698 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6dd8e81e633f0048daef541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rick (the Japanese one :-) ), The diagram in the Japanese paper shows exactly my "earth antenna" configuration. However I cannot read Japanese. Is it possible to give a brief summary of the conclusions (in English)? I will try to put this into a language package to see if I can obtain a Google translation. 73s Roger G3XBM On 13 August 2010 01:53, Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> wrote: > To avoid misunderstanding each, may I suggest rename "Earth Antenna" to > "Two Earth Electrodes Antenna"? > JA5FP, a friend of mine, wrote a literature on so called "Earth Surface > Antenna" at bellow URL, but written in Japanese. There are some figures > on direction path. > http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~ja5fp/gant.pdf > Notes: He has a US Callsign so that any question in English MAY BE > accepted. > 7L1RLL - Rick > > On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 18:44 +0100, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > > Mal, > > > > Not so, but then you wouldn't want to know as you only transmit with > > radio waves and mouth. > > > > 73s > > Roger > > > > > > > > On 12 August 2010 18:10, mal hamilton wrote: > > These so called Earth antennas are but bodged Beverage > > systems, wires laying on or slightly above ground, staked at > > one end as opposed to being terminated with a resistor or left > > floating. Beverages or bodges are useful for Receiving in some > > cases but USELESS for Transmitting. > > An Antenna is an elevated wire raised as high as possible > > above ground, an Earth is a spike driven into the > > ground underneath your feet, basic radio theory. > > G3KEV > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > > http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm > > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0016e6dd8e81e633f0048daef541 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick (the Japanese one :-) ),

The diagram in the Japanese paper sho= ws exactly my "earth antenna" configuration. However I cannot re= ad Japanese. Is it possible to give a brief summary of the conclusions (in= English)?

I will try to put this into a language package to see if I can obtain= a Google translation.

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 13 August 2010 01:53, Rick Wakatori = <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp= > wrote:
=A0To avoid mis= understanding each, may I suggest rename "Earth Antenna" to
"Two Earth Electrodes Antenna"?
=A0JA5FP, a friend of mine, wrote a literature on so called "Earth Su= rface
Antenna" at bellow URL, but written in Japanese. =A0There are some fi= gures
on direction path.
h= ttp://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~ja5fp/gant.pdf
=A0Notes: He has a US Callsign so that any question in English MAY BE
accepted.
7L1RLL - Rick

On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 18:44 +0100, Roger Lapthorn wrote:
> Mal,
>
> Not so, but then you wouldn't want to know as you only transmit= with
> radio waves and mouth.
>
> 73s
> Roger
>
>
>
> On 12 August 2010 18:10, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 These so called Earth antennas are but bodged= Beverage
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 systems, wires laying on or slightly above ground, st= aked at
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 one end as opposed to being terminated with a resisto= r or left
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 floating. Beverages or bodges are useful for Receivin= g in some
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 cases but USELESS for Transmitting.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 An Antenna is an elevated wire raised as high as poss= ible
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 above ground, an Earth is a spike driven into the
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ground underneath your feet, =A0basic radio theory. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 G3KEV
>
>
>
>
> --
> http://g= 3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> http://www.g3xbm= .co.uk
> http:= //www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm
> G3XBM =A0 GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088





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